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A Lecturer Showed a Painting of the Prophet Muhammad. She Lost Her Job

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The response from a caricature vs a respectful historical depiction may be very different. Remember that in US this happened not a long time ago: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stabbing_of_Salman_Rushdie

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Morocco and Andalucia are pretty close, you can spot Morocco´s coast from some places. Also, there is the issue of Ceuta and Melilla.

Yes, only a stone's throw. Why doesn't Spain have the ~6% Muslim population of France or Germany?

France keep strong historical links with several North African countries that were its french-speaking former colonies. This probably generated a lot of migration between France and Africa fullfiling the requisites to be granted French citizenship.

In the case of Germany is probably because they received a lot of Turkish workers after WWII.

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I'm not alt-right and I'm not white and I'm not religious. I agree completely with that view.

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Sometimes even the worst people have a point. Ideas can't be thrown out just because they happen to be shared by bad people. It's the intellectual form of judging a book by its cover. It's the reason political echo chambers get so ridiculous and the country is so divided. An idea is just an idea and should be judged on it's own merits.

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This was the wrong decision. Liberal institutions in the west have begun to increasingly yield to the demands of extremist minority views and doing so only emboldens them. You are free to insult white people, Christianity, and non transexual heterosexual men in this country but everyone else is a protected class. Even speaking positively or respectfully discussing the protected classes in a vaguely defined wrong way…

> institutions act outraged over Florida's "don't say gay" bill Were you upset of the 'don't say gay bill'? It's an example, not just of a single school acting to restrict academic freedom and freedom of expression in general, but the actual government enforcing this on ALL schools. That should be enraging to anyone who cares about freedom. A elementary school teacher was fired not too long ago for reading 'A need a…

Honestly no, elementary thru highschool is not the same as intellectual free wheeling college. Lower levels are there to teach you the basics needed to survive they are not there to present sexual ideas to kids and challenge social norms. Parents are free to educate their kids outside of school how they want. I'm fine with elementary school kids not learning about homosexuality and transexuality. I actually voted Republican for the first time in my life to support this bill.

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Yes, only a stone's throw. Why doesn't Spain have the ~6% Muslim population of France or Germany?

Getting goods from Spain can be done without needing to make a big trip, thus, needing to settle yourself for long in France.

So immigration into Europe is about convenient access to goods? Does that sound right?

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Sometimes even the worst people have a point. Ideas can't be thrown out just because they happen to be shared by bad people. It's the intellectual form of judging a book by its cover. It's the reason political echo chambers get so ridiculous and the country is so divided. An idea is just an idea and should be judged on it's own merits.

But they don't have a good point, so they're just wrong and also agreeing with a core pillar of white supremacist rhetoric.

What a hill to publicly die on.

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> I mean, we do though. Generational wealth is a thing. American slavery isn't even the distant past 70% of generational wealth is lost by the 2nd generation, 90% by the 3rd generation[1][2][3], and it grows even more distant each generation after that. American slavery was around 15-20 generations ago, meaning there is almost zero generational wealth left in the same family hands from slavery. Also, a tiny percentag…

> American slavery was around 15-20 generations ago Maybe you missed where I said the last person born into slavery died in living memory. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_last_survivors_of_Am... But the discussion of slavery kind of misses the larger point; that systemic discrimination was not in fact dismantled in America with the end of chattel slavery. Other systems replaced the intent, and those persisted…

I gave you the data that shows your claims of generational wealth trickling through to an entire race of people, are false. You haven't addressed that.

You are the one making the argument that we need racial discrimination to right past wrongs. I gave you the reasons that is not only immoral, but unworkable. So if you have some method to make your vision of present & future racial discrimination a net benefit for society, I would like to hear it. Logically it isn't possible, so I'm curious to hear your proposed solution.

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Getting goods from Spain can be done without needing to make a big trip, thus, needing to settle yourself for long in France.

So immigration into Europe is about convenient access to goods? Does that sound right?

More like having a better life compared to Africa.

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Yes, it's cringe because it's said as a laughing matter and can have no consequences nowadays or it mostly doesn't. I used to think this way too before and I am still not liberal but the thing with racism is, the start might be jokes but once it's systematic because "nobody cares it's just jokes" those same words might start to hit differently. The liberals can be overreaching about such matters, but I personally thi…

The point is, banning things does not solve problems. It just complicates things, force people to act in certain ways to make sure they aren't racist, instead of being genuine. When I'm accepted into interviews for jobs that aren't going to hire me anyway... it just wastes my time and their time. The problem isn't much about racism, it is about some people act like jerks. And people can be jerks with or without racis…

The point of banning racism is so people don't feel comfortable doing it in public Because once that's there, systematic racism is going to be back, things won't stop at the random jerk level. Being a jerk might be because someone had a bad day etc, it's not loaded, you can counter it and it's not organized hate. But racism is different, racism targets anyone who looks like you, and it's usually organized efforts and loaded with ideas about dehumanizing people.

sometimes things escalate and this same random jerk might murder you if they think there is a high chance they will escape the justice system because you're basically a subhuman under the new laws that these lighthearted racists passed.

You can't make everyone good and decent, but you can for sure punish the racists and limit their access to power and that's what banning does in this case.

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The point is, banning things does not solve problems. It just complicates things, force people to act in certain ways to make sure they aren't racist, instead of being genuine. When I'm accepted into interviews for jobs that aren't going to hire me anyway... it just wastes my time and their time. The problem isn't much about racism, it is about some people act like jerks. And people can be jerks with or without racis…

The point of banning racism is so people don't feel comfortable doing it in public Because once that's there, systematic racism is going to be back, things won't stop at the random jerk level. Being a jerk might be because someone had a bad day etc, it's not loaded, you can counter it and it's not organized hate. But racism is different, racism targets anyone who looks like you, and it's usually organized efforts and…

What would be illegal under this law? If a couple guys are sitting having a beer at home discussing their opinion on the difference in races and how some are better than others would that be illegal? If the neighbor overhead and turned them in, how long would they go to jail for over this private conversation that had previously been protected by the 1st? Would you advocate taking their children away from them? Does this law extend to people saying bad things about whites? What other speech would be outlawed as dangerous? What political ideas are banned? The 1st amendment exists for a very important reason. Restricting speech is a slippery slope that can rapidly lead to the party in power staying in power by banning opposing ideas.
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