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The fake outrage is really disgusting back to the dark ages.
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If LGBTQ are not OK with their gender and the movement's figureheads being talked about in ways that are not within the rules of their safe spaces, they shouldn't be shoving it down everyone's throats constantly, and we should act as if they don't exist. You think being LGBTQ is important? I don't care, I can't talk about them anyway, so it won't be part of my world of ideas. This has been my position on this topic s…
This is unironically a very good point. The intolerance that many trans-rights activists show to those who don't accept that a man with a 'female gender identity' is a woman is similar to the intolerance that many followers of Islam show to non-believers. No-one on the gender critical side has been beheaded yet, but there is a surprisingly large "kill the terfs" movement that parallels the extremism of Islamists.
Let's put this whole subthread in perspective. Someone told a story about how they "got scolded" and then two replies later the conversation has drifted to the idea that LGBTQ don't exist, their movement parallels one of the most inflammatory boogeymen you can use in US political discourse, and the only reason they haven't come for our heads yet is because they aren't powerful enough. The conversation usually drifts from here to "Well how do we stop them from getting power?", at which point it gets really ugly. It's a subtle move from "these LGBTQ don't even exist" to "these LGBTQ shouldn't exist", and unfortunately we've seen the consequences of that kind of thinking more often recently. The usual solutions are: make their existence illegal through the political system we control, or exterminate them with violence.
And this gets me back to the defense mechanism. It's unfortunate, I agree. In a better world there would be room for nuance and polite discussion to foster understanding. Unfortunately in the real world, things go really quickly from a misunderstanding to actual violence. The real kind, not the suspected kind. So to prevent that real violence, you get a "nip this at the bud" kind of responses to things that may be benign or just a misunderstanding. Unfortunately deadnaming and misgendering are followed often enough by violence, that even when it's not intentional the response can be harsh. The sad part is that this way of interacting is not productive for anyone, but survival mechanisms are usually a last resort, not something meant to be polite.
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> Critical race theory is being muzzled at the university level by the government in florida. Are you angry about that overreach by state? Critical race theory needs to be treated the same as other pro-discrimination ideologies. Either they're all ok or none are ok. Picking and choosing one type of racial discrimination to support is in fact racist. After all, Ibram X. Kendi who is generally regarded as the foremost…
Well then I don't get it. Putting up depictions of Mohammad can easily be viewed as inflammatory discrimination against Muslims, but that's ok? Again, I don't think this teacher should have been fired. But the arguments against it in these comments seem hypocritical when support is given to other types of censorship only because they happen to disagree with what was being suppressed.
> Well then I don't get it. Putting up depictions of Mohammad can easily be viewed as inflammatory discrimination against Muslims, but that's ok?
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> I have zero tolerance for people who push their religious views on others and also use their religion to justify violence. Those who push their religious views on others and also use their religion to justify violence are extremely minority, majority of muslims do not do those things. And "bad muslims" always in those media or news because who would read articles about "nice muslim". So you should know what I mean.…
> And insulting any religions is not acceptable and deserve to be punished. Why? I believe all religions are a bunch of bullshit. Almost all of them regard this belief as a mortal insult. Should I get punished for that? The only tenable way to treat religions in a liberal democracy is like any other belief. You get full freedom to practice any one you want, or none of them, or even more than one at the same time for…
You may believe in no religion, but I don't think you should say that in public. Especially in front of any religius person you say "your religion is bullshit!".
> Should I get punished for that?
Maybe if that as insult to others.
> The only tenable way to treat religions in a liberal democracy is like any other belief. You get full freedom to practice any one you want, or none of them, or even more than one at the same time for all I care, but you don't get any special status or moral authority.
I agree to this point. But you do not automatically have right to insult other's believe.
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> Critical race theory is being muzzled at the university level by the government in florida. Are you angry about that overreach by state? Critical race theory needs to be treated the same as other pro-discrimination ideologies. Either they're all ok or none are ok. Picking and choosing one type of racial discrimination to support is in fact racist. After all, Ibram X. Kendi who is generally regarded as the foremost…
Well then I don't get it. Putting up depictions of Mohammad can easily be viewed as inflammatory discrimination against Muslims, but that's ok? Again, I don't think this teacher should have been fired. But the arguments against it in these comments seem hypocritical when support is given to other types of censorship only because they happen to disagree with what was being suppressed.
Exactly my point. Arguments could be made about the validity of any of these topics. There is no consistent basis, just 'This is censorship because topic is bad in my opinion, but other topic can be censored without issue because I disagree with it'.
In Europe she would be likely be dead or in protective custody. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10655679/Teacher-30... https://www.france24.com/en/france/20211015-the-violence-sho...
"In Europe" often doesn't makes sense as a generalisation. Both the UK and France have a significant Muslim population. That does not extend to Europe in general though. France is ~6% Muslim with large communities. Poland is well <0.1% with anti-islam ideas being common.
I'm French and there were many muslim kids in my school when I was a kid (a few decades back). This type of "incident" didn't happen in those days. I don't remember religion ever being an issue. These kids would often respect ramadan and not eat pork, but this was the only visible religious thing, and nobody really cared about it.
I don't know what exactly has changed, who are the extremists and where they got their ideas, but something has changed.
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I have zero tolerance for people who push their religious views on others and also use their religion to justify violence. This goes for Islam just as much for Christianity. I don't hear much about Christians beheading people over insulting Jesus in Europe though.
> I have zero tolerance for people who push their religious views on others and also use their religion to justify violence. Those who push their religious views on others and also use their religion to justify violence are extremely minority, majority of muslims do not do those things. And "bad muslims" always in those media or news because who would read articles about "nice muslim". So you should know what I mean.…
As for punishment, I don't mean death punishment. At max should be jail or fine.
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Really? If you speak ill of "white people, Christianity, and non transexual heterosexual men" will you lose your job? Will you lose your job in liberal universities if you speak ill of Jews, Muslims, homosexuals, African Americans? In case of perceived bias, I'm a swing voting (95% Dem) Jew.
The worst thing is that the white left decides what is offensive or not. I’m Asian and most of the things they claim as racism against Asian are so cringe, literally nobody cares.
I really don't like pandering to the religious beliefs of a minority, especially when said group was given tons of precautions from the professor. The student in question still made the choice to show up to class, made the choice to complain, and made the choice to cry in front of other students saying that she felt deeply offended. The girl was given every chance to avoid this altogether, but instead chose to put he…
The problem is that this doesn't matter. In the case of the beheaded french teacher the girl just lied about being in that class (he was not her teacher, and she didn't even come to school that day) and tell everybody later that she was forced to see pictures of the prophet naked. I wonder where is she now.