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Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by isoprophlex »

jojobas wrote: post #194
isoprophlex wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting. Maybe I was fooled by some deliberate outrage machine. I only read about the "white only" mod. Not the other two. Talk about cherry-picking... The silver lining of this bullshit is that this again underscores how important critical thinking is.

If you think making 3 such mods is not racist yet just one is, think again.

I'm not disagreeing with you. To be clear: I find any of those mods to be distasteful, pointless and potentially harmful.

What makes me sad is the amount of effort needed to figure out A) why could github have banned this account, B) knowing that, do I feel this is fair or an over-reaction

I planned to use this repo professionally, so getting to the bottom of this is important to me. Instead of clarity, there's outrage and selective reporting; I couldn't find anything conclusive so far.

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by noirscape »

nigamanth wrote: post #193
noirscape wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So it seems the actual reason for the suspension is that Automatic had a mod for the colony-sim game RimWorld that disables certain skin colors from appearing in the game. If you're not familiar, these sorts of mods are near universally made for racist dogwhistling; they're the "barely passable but not really" version of mods that would straight up whitewash non-white characters. The entire debacle started a couple o…

How is the mod's actions his fault? That's like someone working for me messing up and me paying the cost for it.

...he made the mod?

This is mod as in modification, not as in moderator.

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by smcl »

Semaphor wrote: post #151
smcl wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like it or not, Pepe did get co-opted by a weird alt-right subculture, so while it later got reclaimed, for a while there was a good chance posting Pepe meant you were aligned with the alt-right or incel culture. There's an entire documentary on the artist behind it and what happened called "Feels Good Man" it's really quite good: https://www.feelsgoodmanfilm.com/

That felt pretty isolated to US bubbles, though. I had never even heard of it until 3 or so years ago, and on Twitch, Pepe was used throughout it all, including in LBTGQI+ channels.

Yeah that interpretation didn't permeate every community, it's good to hear it was always well received on Twitch. I do recommend the doc though, it sounds like you'd enjoy it :)

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by nodja »

Regardless of what the author of the repo did or did not do, I think that deleting his account and everything in it is a failure on the part of github and warrants a policy change. There's lots of good knowledge contained in the issues and discussions hosted on the webui repo all of which are now lost or very hard to find. Even papers coming from big companies have directly used the repo as reference[1].

I was personally playing around with prompt2prompt and reading issues when the ban happened and now I can no longer find the most recent comments, I still had the url but the internet archive only has a copy from back in october, and finding this specific discussion will be hard again since it will be pruned from search engines.

IMO github should've put the repo in read-only mode, if they want their social features to be taken seriously they can't be removing discussions and comments that people that have contributed that have nothing to do with the infraction. What's the point of hosting discussions if there's a chance they'll be nuked later just because the original author of the repo did shitty things.

[1] ctrl+f automatic1111 on https://arxiv.org/abs/2301.00704

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by vintermann »

violini wrote: post #81
cypress66 wrote: post #67

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I see what you mean. I don't think it's racist though if you're classifying artists by their style, to classify those that focus on painting black people with that kind of style as such. Because you're classifying the style, not the artists' skin color (and there's logically a correlation between black artists and artists that focus on depicting black people). You could argue maybe that using the letter "n" could be…

I think the main problem here is that people are enjoying the witch hunt too much, and this prevents them from weighting up alternative explanations that aren't as dramatic. My first assumption on encountering a table field with a standalone "n" would be that it's an abbreviation of "no". So I'm surprised people are assuming so strongly here that this is instead code for a racist word. This is quite a harsh accusatio…

Fine. But you don't have to go with your first assumption.

If, say, the guy had made mods smirking at the George Floyd protests, had made skin-color mods, and had also said "no comment" when asked what the 'n' and 'c' tags represented, would you still go with your first assumption?

That he's clearly more than a little racist isn't enough for me to defend nuking the guy's account without warning or explanation. But it is enough to make me think twice about blindly downloading and running the guy's code (which also downloads a lot of stuff).

Who knows what other norms of basic decency this anonymous person from 4chan would violate.

Edit: apparently all the git pulling and bash+curling happens during install, and not fully automatically afterwards. It does not strictly speaking self-update.

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by nonethewiser »

noirscape wrote: post #68
muglug wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a Reddit thread that goes into some detail: https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/103upr6/au...

So it seems the actual reason for the suspension is that Automatic had a mod for the colony-sim game RimWorld that disables certain skin colors from appearing in the game. If you're not familiar, these sorts of mods are near universally made for racist dogwhistling; they're the "barely passable but not really" version of mods that would straight up whitewash non-white characters. The entire debacle started a couple o…

Why describe this as whitewashing if 2 of the 3 mods changed all the skin colors to something other than white? Just dont see how you can come to this conclusion from 1 all black mod, 1 all yellow mod, and 1 all white mod.

Its problematic. Maybe racist. But whitewashing?

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by poulpy123 »

smcl wrote: post #120
Semaphor wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just wait till you hear that some circles of the net think using pepe the frog is a racist dog whistle.

Like it or not, Pepe did get co-opted by a weird alt-right subculture, so while it later got reclaimed, for a while there was a good chance posting Pepe meant you were aligned with the alt-right or incel culture. There's an entire documentary on the artist behind it and what happened called "Feels Good Man" it's really quite good: https://www.feelsgoodmanfilm.com/

I remember very well that Pepe was used by all sides until some article on the Hillary Clinton's campaign website in 2016 that associated it with Trump and then suddenly you couldn't use it for anything with being labelled white supremacist

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by weberer »

ilyt wrote: post #100
violini wrote: post #14

If this really is about racism, as some people are suggesting, it makes me wonder how equitably such TOS-rules would be applied in other cases. For example, if Linus Torvalds turned out to be a racist or sexist or homosexist or transexist, would his Linux repository ( https://github.com/torvalds/linux ) be hammered? Would he be removed from the Linux project somehow?

Or if one of thousands contributors happened to be? We already had developer (of Drupal[1]) cancelled over their private BDSM kink (that isn't even illegal, which racism is), what stops some random moderator for deciding he's the saviour of the world and banning random repos just because a contributor might've been questionable? * [1] https://www.theregister.com/2017/03/29/drupal_dev_banished/

What country is racism illegal?

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by poulpy123 »

smcl wrote: post #127
Semaphor wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, that probably was contained within the US? Never heard of it. edit: Background https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OK_gesture#White_power_symbol Seems like they managed to have white power fans actually adopt it.

So this is where I don't know what to think - I'm overseas and don't exactly have my finger on the pulse of alt-right culture. I only knew it after it was co-opted by Nick Fuentes and his circle so I don't know if it was: 1. 4chan tries to say it means "White Power" 2. the news pick this up and runs with it 3. actual white nationalists started using it or 1. 4chan tries to say it means "White Power" 2. actual white n…

It's mainly the media. While there was probably some far right groups/people who decided to go along first, the "association" of the OK sign with white supremacists was popularized by the medias

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by noirscape »

nonethewiser wrote: post #206
noirscape wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So it seems the actual reason for the suspension is that Automatic had a mod for the colony-sim game RimWorld that disables certain skin colors from appearing in the game. If you're not familiar, these sorts of mods are near universally made for racist dogwhistling; they're the "barely passable but not really" version of mods that would straight up whitewash non-white characters. The entire debacle started a couple o…

Why describe this as whitewashing if 2 of the 3 mods changed all the skin colors to something other than white? Just dont see how you can come to this conclusion from 1 all black mod, 1 all yellow mod, and 1 all white mod. Its problematic. Maybe racist. But whitewashing?

Whitewashing is what happened with Stardew Valley and my mention of it is just a small bit of history to explain where these sorts of mods come from.

The RimWorld mods aren't whitewashing, they're just problematic and when you take in the broader context of the history of these sorts of mods (not to mention the history of these RimWorld mods on the Steam workshop, as another commenter pointed out, they started with the all white mod and only uploaded the all black and all yellow mods later), are pretty clearly racist.

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