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I checked one at random and he's not black Mati Klarwein
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> though it's pretty disgusting in other ways In what ways? All I can see is some furry porn stuff. Explicit and not my fetish, but what parts are disgusting?
I can imagine that porn with animals (even cartoons) might be disgusting to some people. There is a reason why bestiality is quite high in the list of social taboos.
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Strange if true. Those triple parentheses are weight modifiers, increasing the importance of the tokens inside. This reddit link posted elsewhere gives a more damning view, aside from the triple parentheses: https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/103upr6/co...
And none of the triple parentheses contain peoples names or anything that could be considered religious... I'd guess this was enforced by someone reading a corporate policy that said "if you see triple parentheses, it's hate speech, ban the account".
Maybe, yes.
On further investigation (see reddit) there also seems to be a CSV file with artist names in the repo. Black artists have a string 'n' in some unspecified column. I can't check myself if this might mean something else, eg. if other ethnicities also have this string... but there are some suspicious things going on in a that repo for sure. More than just the parentheses.
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Strange if true. Those triple parentheses are weight modifiers, increasing the importance of the tokens inside. This reddit link posted elsewhere gives a more damning view, aside from the triple parentheses: https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/103upr6/co...
I read through the Reddit thread and they seem to be focused on the letter n being tagged on certain names (they claim is stands for the n word with strong racist meaning.)
Later someone points out that there is another artist who paints mostly darker skin tones who also has the n identifier.
I can, immediately and without effort, see why this might be added. As a way to force representation in output. This is, to me, akin to paint which lets you pick a color (let's go with purple) for skin.
The Rimworld mod cited apparently comes with an "all white, all black, and all yellow" version. The only version mentioned by the angry folks is the white one.
Does anyone know the truth of the matter above?
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#66Whatever side you are on in this debate of "should GitHub decide what is good and bad" I think most people would agree that they really should quote a specific violation of specific TOS when they close your account. This should be the norm, as opposed to the current situation in which you are left wondering what the hell was problematic that some GitHub employee disagrees with. The corporation may benefit from having…
> they really should quote a specific violation of specific TOS when they close your account. I suspect this ends up being impractical, due to helping the bad actors too much. I think moderation being so inconsistent/unclear is mostly because moderation is difficult.
And yet it's the minimum we expect from our legal system, I don't understand why we are okay with corporations being exempt from that.
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I checked one at random and he's not black Mati Klarwein
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I see what you mean. I don't think it's racist though if you're classifying artists by their style, to classify those that focus on painting black people with that kind of style as such. Because you're classifying the style, not the artists' skin color (and there's logically a correlation between black artists and artists that focus on depicting black people).
You could argue maybe that using the letter "n" could be seen as racist. It's a US centric view however, in other places n would be fine (n for negro in Spanish for example)
For all I know automatic might be super racist, I'm just playing devils advocate, and I like to assume the best of in people.
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There’s a Reddit thread that goes into some detail: https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/103upr6/au...
So it seems the actual reason for the suspension is that Automatic had a mod for the colony-sim game RimWorld that disables certain skin colors from appearing in the game.
If you're not familiar, these sorts of mods are near universally made for racist dogwhistling; they're the "barely passable but not really" version of mods that would straight up whitewash non-white characters. The entire debacle started a couple of years ago iirc with the game Stardew Valley, which has non-randomized unique characters and someone made a mod to iirc whitewash the black characters that the game has (straight up just respriting them to look white).
The mod was pulled from both Steam and Nexus if I recall, and a few weeks later you saw these sorts of "one skin color only" mods appear in games with a heavy focus on randomized character creation (the uploaders of these mods also usually try to say it's not racist by uploading multiple variations such as a mod that disables all white skin colors; this is just flimsy excuses, which becomes apparent when you look at the activity stats for these mods). Modding sites aren't very reliable on taking action on them, so it's the loophole used to still get away with doing racist shit.
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#69Whatever side you are on in this debate of "should GitHub decide what is good and bad" I think most people would agree that they really should quote a specific violation of specific TOS when they close your account. This should be the norm, as opposed to the current situation in which you are left wondering what the hell was problematic that some GitHub employee disagrees with. The corporation may benefit from having…
Tech companies hate citing the actual TOS violations because if they did, people might follow them to the letter and then the tech company wouldn't have a justification to ban them. They love having a system where they can arbitrarily declare anything and anyone to be in violation of the terms of service and not have to back it up with an actual citation. Some on HN in that past have said this is ok because people who are bad can figure out ways to abide by the terms of service while also still being bad people, so the arbitrary nature of enforcement is a feature, not a bug.
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I checked one at random and he's not black Mati Klarwein
I checked a few more at random: * Bill Jacklin * Hiroshi Sugomoto * Josef Albers * David Teniers the Younger None of them are black. Edit: As eyko pointed out below, these are not in the 'n' category. So I searched for people in that category, and all the ones I checked turned out to have been black (other than Mati Klarwein).
None of those are under the `n` category, though.