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Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by _8j50 »

jstanley wrote: post #34
mellosouls wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hopefully - in the very unlikely case Torvalds or anybody else was deliberately uploading content of that sort. This doesn't seem a remotely comparable case though (deliberate uploading of offensive content in the delisted repo vs - say - unwoke opinion/comments, or whatever the example of LT is supposed to evoke), if the reasons mooted in other comments are correct.

Do you not think a piece of software can be acceptable independently of whether or not its creator is racist?

Creator? Sure. The user account maintaining and updating it? No. Racism is just one thing, there is a ton of other undesirable beahviors like cp, fascism, swatting, participating or supporting acts of violence against strangers without provocation, participating in a spam/phish/malware campaign, backdooring code the list goes on. You are still free to host your own git repo on your own servers.

The dude was pretty racist, good work by GH employees: https://web.archive.org/web/20221013110023/https://github.co...

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by darau1 »

dijit wrote: post #13
donkeyd wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looking at the Reddit thread about this, there was some arguably racist stuff going on in his repo which could've been related to this suspension. I'm not sure whether this is the right way to handle such things (banning those specific repo's might be better), but it would be somewhat understandable.

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Even after gaining the context that triple parentheses are antisemitic, I thought it very unusual that someone would see identifying "detailed face" as Jewish to be racist.

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by ilyt »

noirscape wrote: post #68
muglug wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a Reddit thread that goes into some detail: https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/103upr6/au...

So it seems the actual reason for the suspension is that Automatic had a mod for the colony-sim game RimWorld that disables certain skin colors from appearing in the game. If you're not familiar, these sorts of mods are near universally made for racist dogwhistling; they're the "barely passable but not really" version of mods that would straight up whitewash non-white characters. The entire debacle started a couple o…

I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if some of them were made just to troll people, like the time where 4chan briefly made some morons think OK sign is some racist/white nationalist thing

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by jevgeni »

Ekaros wrote: post #40
smcl wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think if you’re doing racist stuff, you should expect that the owner of the platform you’re doing it on will probably not like that and find a way to kick you off. The user is probably not a card carrying neo-nazi, but I’m sorry this is 2023, how on Earth can people still expect not to get called for juvenile 4chan-level trolling like this?

Because no one should care. Just fully ignore them, do not engage with trolls or people whose politics you don't care about. Maybe we should instead ban those who call out this stuff or describe it in malicious ways...

That's great advice for anyone not directly affected /s

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by ilyt »

joshuaissac wrote: post #56
cypress66 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I checked one at random and he's not black Mati Klarwein

I checked a few more at random: * Bill Jacklin * Hiroshi Sugomoto * Josef Albers * David Teniers the Younger None of them are black. Edit: As eyko pointed out below, these are not in the 'n' category. So I searched for people in that category, and all the ones I checked turned out to have been black (other than Mati Klarwein).

Reddit thread suggested they might be ones drawing black people, not ones being black

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by darau1 »

ta8903 wrote: post #54
cypress66 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a nice example of false accusations. Parenthesis are used for increasing the weights of some terms. See how he uses single, double or triple parenthesis on different words. It has nothing to do with the triple parenthesis jew thing.

No way, next thing you'll tell me Lisp isn't actually an antisemetic dogwhistle.

Shit, emacs is racist

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by ceejayoz »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #69
poszlem wrote: post #45

Whatever side you are on in this debate of "should GitHub decide what is good and bad" I think most people would agree that they really should quote a specific violation of specific TOS when they close your account. This should be the norm, as opposed to the current situation in which you are left wondering what the hell was problematic that some GitHub employee disagrees with. The corporation may benefit from having…

Tech companies hate citing the actual TOS violations because if they did, people might follow them to the letter and then the tech company wouldn't have a justification to ban them. They love having a system where they can arbitrarily declare anything and anyone to be in violation of the terms of service and not have to back it up with an actual citation. Some on HN in that past have said this is ok because people wh…

I helped run a fairly large gaming forum for many years. You either have broad rules or ten thousand very specific ones no one can ever hope to understand.

Most folks prefer the former.

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by amelius »

kleiba wrote: post #8
ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #4

Looks like relying on a centralised github isn't the most reliable choice. It's convenient, but if you don't want to be held ransom by Microsoft's decisions, then a self hosted repository has to be the way forwards.

Yeah, someone should invent a version control system that does not rely on some central entity but is actually distributed.

How do we know how to trust it without a central entity looking over its quality OR the next best thing such as provide usage statistics and community tools like an issue tracker etc.

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by smcl »

violini wrote: post #14

If this really is about racism, as some people are suggesting, it makes me wonder how equitably such TOS-rules would be applied in other cases. For example, if Linus Torvalds turned out to be a racist or sexist or homosexist or transexist, would his Linux repository ( https://github.com/torvalds/linux ) be hammered? Would he be removed from the Linux project somehow?

I think that it would depend:

1. If Linus did a hard-right turn and was doing the right-wing news tour doing transphobic shit, MS and GitHub wouldn't bat an eye

2. If Linus kept a repo of anti-trans poetry or some shit on his GitHub, then yeah he'd quite possibly get booted off

This isn't about GitHub being against what they think "AUTOMATIC1111" as a person believes, this is just about what they had on GitHub, and whether GH considered it against their TOS.

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by ilyt »

violini wrote: post #14

If this really is about racism, as some people are suggesting, it makes me wonder how equitably such TOS-rules would be applied in other cases. For example, if Linus Torvalds turned out to be a racist or sexist or homosexist or transexist, would his Linux repository ( https://github.com/torvalds/linux ) be hammered? Would he be removed from the Linux project somehow?

Or if one of thousands contributors happened to be?

We already had developer (of Drupal[1]) cancelled over their private BDSM kink (that isn't even illegal, which racism is), what stops some random moderator for deciding he's the saviour of the world and banning random repos just because a contributor might've been questionable?

* [1] https://www.theregister.com/2017/03/29/drupal_dev_banished/

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