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Why a global recession is inevitable in 2023

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Re: Why a global recession is inevitable in 2023

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Why are global symptoms of capitalism (recessions, financializations, slow motion crashes aka inflation) subjects of speculation but the cause - capitalism itself - not?

Capitalism no longer exists. Current economic systems are based around debt and not capital.

Re: Why a global recession is inevitable in 2023

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When I see predictions like this I think "awesome, no global recession coming in 2023". I have not done a study on this, but it seems like every prediction I come across is just wrong. Its like when I watch Artosis or Tasteless give a prediction during an SC2 tournament and immediately be wrong. "caster's curse" i think its called.

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This is probably a comment worth ignoring, but I still feel inclined to say that journalism is a cornerstone of democracy on which, love it or hate it, we in the west have chosen to build our societies on. So yes, it is important and certainly requires skill.

Re: Why a global recession is inevitable in 2023

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recessions aren’t surprising or avoidable right? it seems to align with everything else in nature that things fluctuate and move in waves, entropy causes things to come into balance, dead weight is shed because it’s dead weight and economic health depends on shedding dead weight, a recession is just the trough of a much bigger economic wave, ride the wave! it’s just like cutting back some roses in fall to enable more healthy flourishing growth in spring

Re: Why a global recession is inevitable in 2023

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Signs I look for of an impending recession: Stagnation. Inflation is a sign of a booming economy. Unemployment. I see help wanted signs everywhere Huge building projects abandoned. Here in SE Michigan I am seeing active construction sites everywhere. The Economist runs headlines like "Are Recessions a Thing of the Past?

>Signs I look for of an impending recession:

>Stagnation. Inflation is a sign of a booming economy

That's not borne out by the data. If you look at the graph for inflation[1], you see that falling inflation comes after recessions (helpfully shaded grey), not before. In other words, by the time you see stagflation, you're already deep in recession, or it has already passed. Therefore using it as a sign for "impending" recession makes no sense.

[1] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FPCPITOTLZGUSA

Re: Why a global recession is inevitable in 2023

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Remains to be seen how Powell and the current Fed perceive their joint mandate of low inflation/low unemployment. By indicators, the labor market is still resembling hermit crabs leaving shells empty anytime a shell gets filled with a crab. But I thought the market was overweighted in 2017/2018 and the Fed wouldn't raise rates until 2022. As the economist stated here or elsewhere in this group of articles, the effect…

I'm not aware of them buying any individual stocks recently. They did, however buy several (like GM) during the 2008 recession.

Re: Why a global recession is inevitable in 2023

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Hasn't it been inevitable every years? It seems like the media writes this headline every year. Anyone can find reasons for recession if you look hard enough. Who knows. I am not selling stocks.

Yes. And it’s actually correct. I’ve thought that US financial system and US dollar would fall since I was roughly 13. The problem is that at some point central banks and governments will be unable to avoid hyperinflation due to debt accumulation. They will be forced to print. Additionally, the debt is inevitable when politicians are bought and paid for and therefore incentivized to provide lucrative contracts to don…

> On another note, there is inherent instability in debt-based economics

From an adequate distance, fraction reserve banking looks a whole lot like a ponzi scheme.

Re: Why a global recession is inevitable in 2023

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Disclaimer, I have no idea if this is even slightly logical, I'm not an economist. House prices have increased significantly above inflation for decades to the point of absurdity, many multiples of a households income. People in their 20s (and 30s) increasingly don't believe they will ever own a home. If we have a period of inflation, with increased wages (obviously with a painful lag), but house prices remain stagna…

>If we have a period of inflation, with increased wages (obviously with a painful lag), but house prices remain stagnant with no increase, would that bring them down in real terms without a "housing crash"? Could this be a "good thing" and does that even make sense? It's still only part of the equation since interest rates are much higher now so mortgage payments are double what they were a year ago. So even if the h…

This is a good point. This is also somewhat dependent on how a particular country does mortgages. The USA does 30-year fixed rate, but that is not the norm in most countries. The main benefit of lower house prices (even if the monthly finance costs are the same) is that the amount you have to save for a deposit is reduced, which is often a significant barrier for young people.

Re: Why a global recession is inevitable in 2023

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Geopolitical risk can easily decimate economic activity. But the flipside is that its avoidance can boost animal spirits.

It doesnt feel like the planet is currently reaching for a peace and cooperation dividend and 2023 will still be working out the impact of the covid and ukraine war shocks

Re: Why a global recession is inevitable in 2023

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. And it’s actually correct. I’ve thought that US financial system and US dollar would fall since I was roughly 13. The problem is that at some point central banks and governments will be unable to avoid hyperinflation due to debt accumulation. They will be forced to print. Additionally, the debt is inevitable when politicians are bought and paid for and therefore incentivized to provide lucrative contracts to don…

> On another note, there is inherent instability in debt-based economics From an adequate distance, fraction reserve banking looks a whole lot like a ponzi scheme.

I would say it is, yeah.
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