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What happens when babies are left to cry it out?

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Re: What happens when babies are left to cry it out?

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Post by lazide »

komali2 wrote: post #485
lazide wrote: post #466

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Plenty of women need and want something to do besides 24/7 baby and house care stuff. And they won't starve to death if they don't do it.

Right, I'm countering the accusations of misogyny with "no, we're talking about the flaws of capitalism." Consider that many families in the USA have two parents, both working multiple jobs, to make ends meet. To me, one of the most important things in my hopefully 80 years is family, and so I get sad when I see people forced to trade that little time we get already, for work.

Having kids and raising a family is work too - really, really hard work.

And sometimes work that doesn’t ever pay off, for reasons well outside of anyone’s control.

There is a reason that spousal and child abuse was so much higher then.

There is no perfect option here.

Re: What happens when babies are left to cry it out?

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Post by jjulius »

unity1001 wrote: post #506
jjulius wrote: post #503

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How about respecting every parents choices for their own family? How about you step away from HN for a bit and get some fresh air before responding to another comment in this thread? You're obviously very heated and it's not constructive. You are making massive judgements about people while simultaneously demonstrating how little you know about what actually happens when you let someone "cry it out".

> How about respecting every parents choices for their own family? The immense cacophonies that the industries in the US produce, eventually permate to, and induce chaos and problems in other countries. This includes medical industries. > You're obviously very heated and it's not constructive. Im not heated. Im not Angloamerican. This is not 'heated' discussion where I live. Avoid projecting your cultural paradigm to…

>Avoid projecting your cultural paradigm to random people on the Internet.

Avoid being an absolute asshole who is impossible to have a level-headed discussion with. Your flying off the handle in this thread with judgement geared towards "random people on the internet" demonstrates that very well.

It's clear that there will be no way to have a genuine, level-headed conversation with you. Enjoy your evening, or the rest of your day, wherever you are.

Re: What happens when babies are left to cry it out?

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Post by jjulius »

shaklee3 wrote: post #520
unity1001 wrote: post #515

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Have you not read the rest of the thread? There are a ton of comments in that direction, but hey: https://acamh.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/jcpp.... > In their recent paper published in JCPP, Bilgin and Wolke (2020a) argue that leaving an infant to ‘cry it out’, rather than responding to the child’s cries, had no adverse effects on mother–infant attachment at 18 months. This finding opposes evidence acro…

ah, yes! link to a group of people who didn't like the outcome of a study, so they wrote about it with links to older studies that the more comprehensive one already addressed. of course, said people didn't bother to do their own study, but needed to get it off their chests how mad it makes them that the newer/more data-driven studies go against their instincts.

Thank you for this perspective.

Re: What happens when babies are left to cry it out?

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Post by jjulius »

unity1001 wrote: post #501
JW_00000 wrote: post #222

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I'd add: > When babies are sleep-trained (with the "cry it out" method), they don't actually sleep (much) longer; they wake up as often but have learned to not signal their parents.

> they wake up as often but have learned to not signal their parents To instinctively avoid signaling the predators in the absence of their parents as an evolutionary trait...

Still waiting on you to cite the source that proves this is why babies don't cry.

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Post by shaklee3 »

unity1001 wrote: post #507
jjulius wrote: post #494

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You need to chill out on your judgemental posts. You're coming into this thread fast and hot and it is not constructive. Your quick reactions are demonstrating your own ignorance on this subject.

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your comments are the same tired comments along the lines of "my parents and all the people I grew up with used a natural gas stove, so it's clearly the right way and nothing can be better". except when studies come out showing there are better ways to do things you're so set in your ways that it won't matter.

the thing with sleep training is that it works so wonderfully for a lot of people that the same arguments about how people who lived 20 people in a small cottage and had free babysitting all day long are somehow analogous is no longer relevant. times changed, people work more, sleep is more important for everyone (recent studies show), and the old way of doing it is no longer the best/only way.

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Post by unity1001 »

jjulius wrote: post #519
unity1001 wrote: post #511

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> So you agree it's not just the US doing it No, I don't. A lot of things that were manufactured in the US were exported into countries that were under its influence. Rich, Anglophile segments in a country adopting a behavior from the US because it suits their preferences does not make it a national paradigm. > Cite your source. There are various comments from others in this thread which explain that problem in detai…

>No, I don't. A lot of things that were manufactured in the US were exported into countries that were under its influence. Again, demonstrating your ignorance. Sleep training is based on "Le Pause". It's imported . >There are various comments from others in this thread which explain that problem in detail. And there have been countless comments in this thread, all citing evidence that there is no difference in a chil…

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Re: What happens when babies are left to cry it out?

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Post by shaklee3 »

gsinclair wrote: post #474
fipar wrote: post #334

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Our pediatricians told us risk from suffocation is associated with bad co-sleep practices, not "just with" co-sleep (in our country, not the US, and I'm quoting "just with" because I don't know how to put that better, I'm trying to make the point that if bad practices aren't followed, the risk of SIDS is comparable to babies that sleep alone). This includes co-sleeping when at least one of the parents is a smoker, or…

You can add my anecdotal experience to yours. Co-sleeping seemed like the cheat code to getting baby boy to sleep through the night.

baby, then toddler, then ...

Re: What happens when babies are left to cry it out?

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Post by jjulius »

unity1001 wrote: post #527
jjulius wrote: post #519

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>No, I don't. A lot of things that were manufactured in the US were exported into countries that were under its influence. Again, demonstrating your ignorance. Sleep training is based on "Le Pause". It's imported . >There are various comments from others in this thread which explain that problem in detail. And there have been countless comments in this thread, all citing evidence that there is no difference in a chil…

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... wow.

Re: What happens when babies are left to cry it out?

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Post by shaklee3 »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #400
0xEFF wrote: post #352

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Research shows no long term effects after age 6, positive or negative, of sleep training, so the research doesn't support your hypothesis. Research shows many positive effects before age 6, both for the child and the family.

As the article mentions, the research is amateurish. The experimental designs wouldn't pass muster at any tech company.

except there's no better research to contradict it
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