In real life people developed (over millenia) a wide range of mechanisms to support stable social interactions. Concepts like ownership, privacy, authority etc. are not laws of nature but deeply rooted behavioral patterns that proved to be useful in some global sense. What happens currently with the explosion of "digital society" is that, largely due to greed, certain first mover groups are dismantling all that - bas…
AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off
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Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off
#42Second, I think people will start to put a premium on accounts being "verified" as genuinely human. This can be done in two ways – just move to invite-only silos where you already know everybody, or big platforms where the owners do the vetting for you. Lots of platforms will simply take a knee-jerk reaction where they just up the amount of surveillance. "Now that there's so much bot activity, everybody need to upload their passport and driver's license, for your own safety of course!" Powerful nation states will be more than eager to assist them in this regard.
I think people would put a premium on the abundant BOTS, actually. If we look at wall street trading bots and so on, it’s actualy far more likely what will happen is that organizations will start to PREFER bots. Eventually, we’ll have self driving cars dominating all traffic, bots generating nearly all online content, and humans PREFERRING them. Because why not have a seeminglu flawless outcome every time, a bot teacher with limitless memory and eventually learning the habits and knowldge of 917 people in the classroom for a personalized approach etc.
Why have a human lawyer when a bot can go through 300 arguments and pick the one that fits that particular jury and circumstances?
Take VCs for example. They want to see a community with hockey stick growth and recurring revenues. Why have a community of humans? You can now replicate this growth entirely with bots. Twitter’s growth will look pedestrian by comparison.
You may say, where’s the money in this? The bots don’t bring any capital to the site. That’s true today, but on wall street they account for the vast majority of trading since they can out-trade everyone and they also can swarm to collude with each other.
It’s not hard to imagine that bots will start to actually receive payment for the content they produce, just as people pay each other on Patreon etc. or pay for copywriters, designers etc.
At this point the bots would be programmed to amass credits on a site, which they can turn into capital. They’ll have realistic 3D models conversing with you, modeled after really anyone. Why have onlyfans? Why have instagram models? Why pay for newscasters? Why have actors in movies? Why have salespeople make calls? Why have humans do anything online or remotely AT ALL?
My prediction is that bots will control nearly all the capital, produce nearly all the content, and humans will prefer to interact with bots for romantic conversations and everything else.
The problem will be that these bots can easily swarm at any time and dominate any group of humans, destroy reputations, move public sentiment etc.
People’s public opinion would be dominated by bot swarms.
Those who try to somehow prevail in their local communities or control the bots will be essentially disrupted and reputationally destroyed by the botswarms. It would become so cheap to destroy any number of human reputations that people would set swarms up to do it for the Lulz.
Governments that try to ban these bots can themselves be easily overcome by botswarms. They’d just send endless numbers of fooled and outraged people to their doorsteps and wherever they may be eating. They will know all their whereabouts and all their proclivities. And besides this, thousands of people will be convinced by deepfakes and fake articles online that this politician is doing something ridiculous or embarrassing. Every time the politician would try to do something, they’d get a call or visit from N constituents demanding their attention. The botswarms can just DDOS all humans who try to stop them basically. And at pretty trivial cost.
You here commenting on HN … imagine if in 12 months from now, half of all accounts around you are bots, and they all collude against you and people with your viewpoint. What would you do?
The problem is “logging off” is about as effective as Ted Kazinski trying to escape civilization by moving to the woods. Are wild animals able to escape encroachment by humans into their habitat?
Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off
#43Consider this classic XKCD: https://xkcd.com/810/ There are 2 possibilities: The AI can comment as well as a human, or it can't. If it can comment as well as a human, our experience of using social networks will not be degraded. We still get the same experience as before. If it can't, then its contributions won't get as many likes/upvotes, and they won't be particularly prominent. Most content users see will be human…
I think you're massively underestimating how important motivations are. Bot accounts that can perfectly mask as human but whose prime directive is to recommend their sponsors' products would ruin trust in a heartbeat.
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#44Regarding the Third point, I can already see part of this movement. I've become disenchanted with the quality of the discourse. Specifically as I've entered a more senior stage of my career, I'm looking to mingle with like-minded folks in similar situations. Thing is, these folks don't usually lurk online, and even if they do, their voices get overwhelmed by the flood of (mostly low quality) content. I'd be happy to…
Ai can be used to moderate discussions however , if it is trained to remove low effort in an unbiased way
Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off
#45Consider this classic XKCD: https://xkcd.com/810/ There are 2 possibilities: The AI can comment as well as a human, or it can't. If it can comment as well as a human, our experience of using social networks will not be degraded. We still get the same experience as before. If it can't, then its contributions won't get as many likes/upvotes, and they won't be particularly prominent. Most content users see will be human…
Also, upvotes are an imperfect measure of how good the post is and AIs would be able to game the measure.
Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off
#46The internet is not limited to Social networks. The "Market for lemons" has existed for decade, google is a market for lemons where people buy from SEO spam, Google assistant , Siri , amazon are also. The logging off is a pipe dream for some people, even though they know that humans are informational creatures and that the "offline world" has never lived up to the desirable one since the time books were invented. Doo…
Seems more like extremely wealthy sociopaths & psychopaths that thrive in a capitalistic system are. Don’t think people would be so doomy & gloomy if it weren’t for those with the means to do so trying to shape society into their dystopian dreams.
Two examples if needed:
Thiel & Davos family
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#48Hey, you folks who are willing to pay to be part of a vetted community? Looks like Sam Altman’s WorldCoin, which is about verifiable identity, might just become a viable business. ChatGPT’s role in that strategy makes more sense now.. remember Altman is behind OpenAI? If this is part of his strategy to monopolize internet comments, then his next step is to have ChatGPT recognize its own outputs. (To deal with those W…
The current state of crypto is such that I wouldn't trust anything crypto-related with my video game saves, let alone my identity.
Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off
#49To piggyback off of this, I predict we'll be hearing (not seeing) the phrase "the internet is fake" a lot more.
Re: AI: Markets for Lemons, and the Great Logging Off
#50Regarding the Third point, I can already see part of this movement. I've become disenchanted with the quality of the discourse. Specifically as I've entered a more senior stage of my career, I'm looking to mingle with like-minded folks in similar situations. Thing is, these folks don't usually lurk online, and even if they do, their voices get overwhelmed by the flood of (mostly low quality) content. I'd be happy to…
Most notably, kids were in school with people their age, adults were at work, etc. 1st grader intellect and emotional interactions partitioned from 5th grade, partitioned from 9th, partitioned from college, partitioned from post-college.
For another example, the "grownups' table" and the "kids' table" at a holiday dinner.
Though, as a kid, I definitely benefited from listening in on the grownups on the Internet.