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US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by aetherane »

nixgeek wrote: post #118
cm2187 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be honest I am already avoiding to travel to the US as much as I can. No appetite for hours of queues at security and passport controls. Their airports are worst than many third world countries.

The U.S. has been expanding eligibility for Global Entry over the last decade. No idea where you live but: https://www.cbp.gov/travel/trusted-traveler-programs/global-... This also gives you TSA Pre. It’s cut my average time spent queuing in U.S. airports and at the border by an order of magnitude. Worth the effort.

Global entry is unavailable to foreigners from many countries, even long term visa holders

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by adolph »

jacooper wrote: post #338
pessimizer wrote: post #96

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I'm not sure that hyperbole is possible when you're discussing the necessity of having worldwide biometric "terrorist" lists that countries like Saudi Arabia would participate in. ----- edit: How would you code "terrorism through public demonstrations of driving while female" or "terrorism through being Yemen?" "Terrorism though applying for a marriage license after being mildly critical in the WaPo."

> terrorism through public demonstrations of driving while female Do you think Saudi Arabia is the Taliban or what? Even when it was banned, it wasn't the big of an offense. And yes its no longer banned, and there are a lot of women drivers now.

Maybe trucking while unvaccinated is a better example?

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Post by _kbh_ »

miguelazo wrote: post #286
dragonwriter wrote: post #137

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> What is Germany getting in return for having Nordstream 2 blown up by the US/allies? Nothing, because that didn’t happen. (Most likely, Russia blew up the not-being-used pipe as a capacity demonstration aimed at Baltic Pipe, to raise the perceived cost by government decisionmakers of continuing support for Ukraine; they probably also juice the propaganda about the US being behind it, to promote internal strife in t…

Get a grip. Smoked too much of that Russiagate reefer? Even the Western press now quietly admitting the (extremely) obvious. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/12/21/... ( https://archive.vn/UpsuY )

But that doesn't say that America or anyone else was behind it either.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence after all.

Theres no conclusive proof that any particular party was behind it, but given that a single pipe was left (something America wouldn't do if it was looking to take out Germanys capacity to use Russian gas) the only obvious conclusion was that it was Russia.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by kevin_b_er »

InTheArena wrote: post #62

Reading through the slides, it appears that what has been discussed is sharing signature and fingerprints for travel into the USA. There is a lot of weasel words, but it's probably worth nothing that the USA currently collects this information for foreign nationals coming into the USA (as the EU does for Americans traveling into the EU). This is being done in the context of a DB query as part of the e VISA applicatio…

You think the US is going to limit itself to travelers? They're going to read a lot more entries than just travelers.

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Post by xiphias2 »

sofixa wrote: post #278
monocasa wrote: post #166

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That goes both ways. The US economy is dependent on having markets for consumer goods. Losing the EU as an easy market nukes the US economy as well.

Yeah, one would think post-Brexit and post-pandemic and post-Russian invasion of Ukraine people would in general be more aware of interdependence in trade, finance, manufacturing, etc. but apparently not. (Yes, they did say that before WWI, and today it's a million times more intertwined)

It still matters game theoretically who loses more on not having a trade, and US having the reserve currency means that it has clearly more power over EU than the other way around.

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Post by Gasp0de »

krisoft wrote: post #335
Gasp0de wrote: post #295

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Not every step needs to be automated, no. What's wrong with the way it is right now? I hand over my passport at the airport, it has my fingerprints saved on it and they can check those against whatever databases they have. No need to access European databases. The US government has just lost databases with biometric data of millions of afghan people, together with the information whether they worked for the ISAF forc…

> it has my fingerprints saved on it Yes! This is a curious thing too. Biometric passports already have biometric data. The USA will already have your biometric information read out from your passport. One possibility is that they have reasons to not trust the biometric passports completely. Perhaps someone found a way to fake them. Even if not, it seems prudent that they want to check all 3 things. What is in your p…

No, see, this is the key difference: Right now, they can only get my biometrics if I travel to the US, which I don't. With automated access they can just guzzle up all the data of all the people and use it for whatever. We've seen what they do if they can get their fingers on data. They use it. They spy on anyone and everyone, from politicians of allied countries to normies like me and you. I don't want that.

Luckily, my country does not even have my biometrics in a database that the US could be querying.

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Post by pkaye »

monocasa wrote: post #166
xiphias2 wrote: post #154

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It's quite nicely explained on the official EU site (much better than how I understand): https://www.ecb.europa.eu/mopo/implement/liquidity_lines/htm... Without a swap line banks couldn't just treat EUR as USD whenever an entity needs to keep USD for import/export purposes.

That goes both ways. The US economy is dependent on having markets for consumer goods. Losing the EU as an easy market nukes the US economy as well.

Surprisingly the trade to GDP ratio is quite low for the US. And a good chunk of that trade is with Canada and Mexico.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NE.TRD.GNFS.ZS?most_rec...

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Post by jongjong »

kanzenryu2 wrote: post #156
pessimizer wrote: post #96

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I'm not sure that hyperbole is possible when you're discussing the necessity of having worldwide biometric "terrorist" lists that countries like Saudi Arabia would participate in. ----- edit: How would you code "terrorism through public demonstrations of driving while female" or "terrorism through being Yemen?" "Terrorism though applying for a marriage license after being mildly critical in the WaPo."

In Saudi Arabia atheists are terrorists. And they also have the death penalty for terrorism.

It's so horrible. They probably think that they're helping atheists by sending them to the afterlife early. But what if the atheist is right and when you die, your last moment alive becomes frozen in your consciousness forever.

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Post by miguelazo »

_kbh_ wrote: post #343
miguelazo wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Get a grip. Smoked too much of that Russiagate reefer? Even the Western press now quietly admitting the (extremely) obvious. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/12/21/... ( https://archive.vn/UpsuY )

But that doesn't say that America or anyone else was behind it either. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence after all. Theres no conclusive proof that any particular party was behind it, but given that a single pipe was left (something America wouldn't do if it was looking to take out Germanys capacity to use Russian gas) the only obvious conclusion was that it was Russia.

Of course it doesn't say that explicitly-- are you unfamiliar with the purpose that the Washington Post serves?

You think because one pipeline survived that it was intentional? After all of the US disasters in the Middle East you somehow still believe in its omnipotence?

And one pipeline surviving means little when the new pipelines that were destroyed had much better economics for Russia (and Germany, for that matter).

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

lakomen wrote: post #325
sofixa wrote: post #171

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Where is this coming from? The vast majority of what the EU does doesn't concern anyone but the EU, and is sometimes actively hurting non-EU entities like American corporations. Be it the GDPR, the Digital Markets or Services Acts, the Covid recovery funds, farming subsidies, various projects to improve random hyper local infrastructure, etc etc etc.

Idk if you've been asleep the last 10 months regarding the politics of Ukraine, which isn't even an EU member. VdL bends over backwards on anything the US asks of her. How she even became the head of the EU council can only be explained with corruption. And that's also the main reason why the right is on the rise on the EU, because they don't want an undemocratic overlord. The irony is real.

Yep... people are getting really fed up with the current state of the EU (especially the unelected leadership), and even when locally some "alternative" is elected, they go along with whatever the heads in EU tell them...

Considering the history, sooner or later another failed artist will represent a real "alternative", and considering i'm a slav in the first line of slavic countries the the south, I'd prefer some EU-wide changes before that happens.

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