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US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by omgomgomgomg »

Oh dear, dear EU, please show some teeth on this matter, god help us if you do not.

The EU is the only place on earth having kinda sensitive big data/privacy laws and enforcements thereof.

I am familiar enough with data aggregators like lexis nexis, you do not want to be there or end up there without knowing or without having an option for removal of the entries.

Do not share anything, this paper speaks of fingerprints, damn, even my god damned government and the government where I reside do not have my fingerprint. Some countries have a biometric passport, but usually, taking fingerprints is done on suspects of major crimes.

Hell no, share nothing, for an entry to the us, there is paperwork that needs to be filled and of the us govt requests fingerprints then, that fine.

But an information exchange of personal data like fatca?

Thanks, but no thanks.

Did europe ask the USA for their citizen data? Thought so.

I know for sure the usa does not have access to some very important data from some european countries, and that is good the way it is.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by MonkeyClub »

diffxx wrote: post #157
frankfrankfrank wrote: post #140

Are there any folks here to whom it is starting to dawn what is really going on here; a transatlantic prison planet where you can do nothing without your prison wardens, formerly known as politicians, bureaucrats, and generally awful people knowing more about you than you do and being able to terrorize and torment you if you oppose or inconvenience them?

I'm working through the stages of grief.

They don’t include revolution though.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by omgomgomgomg »

epolanski wrote: post #120
LarryMullins wrote: post #77

Whether it's good local privacy laws in your country or a good privacy-respecting TOS from a company, both are basically worthless when a bigger entity comes barging into the picture. So your government collects biometric data but passes laws promising not to misuse it... you may very well find that those promises are worth less than dirt when a country with leverage over your own starts making demands that your gove…

Why would we have to give two damns about American demands, I don't see that having any chance.

I am not sure why this is downvoted, the guy is exactly right.

I would have thought HN is more on the small government political spectrum, it appears this does not count for foreign policy?

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by bloppe »

frankfrankfrank wrote: post #143
epolanski wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would we have to give two damns about American demands, I don't see that having any chance.

I get the sense you do not quite understand how much essentially all of Europe is a vassal state of the group of people that also has a stranglehold on America.

I think you're giving American leadership way too much credit.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

nixgeek wrote: post #78
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what? If the rules are the same for all eu countries and with reciprocity, then the US will be isolated, and any eu-us business will be harder to do, and EU will do more trade with other countries, which also won't give biometric data to US, and US will be locked out of them too.

Sure, but you’re going to disclose all of the same biometric and criminal database information should you then do the U.S. visa application, so this does nothing to improve your privacy or stop the U.S. having this information. You need to travel to the U.S. with these changes? You still use ESTA and VWP, and the U.S. pulls what they need via an IT integration. You need to travel to the U.S. and these changes get a “…

If you don't travel to usa, they don't get this data. Their country, their rules,... if they only let other countries alone, the world would be a lot nicer place.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by monocasa »

xiphias2 wrote: post #154
coob wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How?

It's quite nicely explained on the official EU site (much better than how I understand): https://www.ecb.europa.eu/mopo/implement/liquidity_lines/htm... Without a swap line banks couldn't just treat EUR as USD whenever an entity needs to keep USD for import/export purposes.

That goes both ways. The US economy is dependent on having markets for consumer goods. Losing the EU as an easy market nukes the US economy as well.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by sfusato »

epolanski wrote: post #120
LarryMullins wrote: post #77

Whether it's good local privacy laws in your country or a good privacy-respecting TOS from a company, both are basically worthless when a bigger entity comes barging into the picture. So your government collects biometric data but passes laws promising not to misuse it... you may very well find that those promises are worth less than dirt when a country with leverage over your own starts making demands that your gove…

Why would we have to give two damns about American demands, I don't see that having any chance.

Uhmm, you may want to update your knowledge on the history of the 1945-2022 period

tldr: USA is the current world empire; EU are their vassals

Homework: (1) find how many European military bases there are on US soil; (2) find how many US military bases there are on European soil;

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by monocasa »

EGreg wrote: post #136
MonkeyClub wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They don’t spy on their own citizens They sure do; whatever gave you the impression they don’t?

Their mandate doesnt allow it https://www.aclu.org/other/nsa-spying-americans-illegal

And yet, part of what Snowden leaked was that they were storing all Americans' data, somehow making the internal legal argument that searching their databases was when it became an actual search, not when they stored that information about Americans in their db.
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