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US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by lodovic »

ryandrake wrote: post #30
jylam wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not even your own government institutions, it's another totally separate government asking for your biometric data.

Disclaimer: I’m totally against any normalization of the collection/sharing of biometric data. But just to play Devil’s Advocate: Let’s say I’m a boring white midwestern HVAC contractor with a mortgage and 2.5 kids. Big Bad China acquires a picture of my face and my fingerprints. Also my DNA, why not, just for argument’s sake! I never plan to visit China. How does this biometric sharing affect me, my rights, my safet…

There are lots of scenarios.

- Your data could be sold by China to your insurer.

- Or they could buy your insurer and use the information they have on you.

- They could use it for some corporate espionage.

- Perhaps you or your boss need to be convinced that you should sell Chinese HVAC equipment instead of Korean.

- Maybe one of your kids will get married to someone from China and you have been critical of their government online. They may visit China and be punished for that.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by dragonwriter »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #112
marricks wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the US has army bases all in and around Europe, more than any European country, I bet the US wouldn't comply. It's rarely talked about, but you gotta imagine, the fact the US controls most of the land and sea is a big factor in how diplomatic issues are resolved. I don't think this is a great thing, btw.

Given the US has army bases all in and around Europe, more than any European country, I bet the US wouldn't comply. That's been declining: 430,000 US troops in Europe in the '50s, and about 60,000 at the beginning of this year. https://www.boisestate.edu/bluereview/troops-in-europe/

> That’s been declining: 430,000 US troops in Europe in the ’50s, and about 60,000 at the beginning of this year.

That’s been increasing, up to over 100,000 in June of this year.

https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/307805...

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by consumer451 »

ryandrake wrote: post #30
jylam wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not even your own government institutions, it's another totally separate government asking for your biometric data.

Disclaimer: I’m totally against any normalization of the collection/sharing of biometric data. But just to play Devil’s Advocate: Let’s say I’m a boring white midwestern HVAC contractor with a mortgage and 2.5 kids. Big Bad China acquires a picture of my face and my fingerprints. Also my DNA, why not, just for argument’s sake! I never plan to visit China. How does this biometric sharing affect me, my rights, my safet…

> Disclaimer: I’m totally against any normalization of the collection/sharing of biometric data. But just to play Devil’s Advocate:

> Let’s say I’m a boring white midwestern HVAC contractor with a mortgage and 2.5 kids. Big Bad China acquires a picture of my face and my fingerprints.

1) If you cannot imagine the potential problems, then why do you believe the contents of your disclaimer?

2) Let's say you are not "a boring white midwestern HVAC contractor"

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by Kukumber »

sneak wrote: post #82
Kukumber wrote: post #26

They'll accept and they'll give them the keys, oh wait, Microsoft already has it all

What Microsoft doesn't have, AWS does. Several european governments store all passenger/traveler data (including biometric photo scans at the very least) in S3.

Oh you are right, it was the Health Data Hub that i had in mind, and looks like the plan was scrapped [1]

[1] - https://www.euractiv.com/section/health-consumers/news/frenc...

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Post by epolanski »

TOMDM wrote: post #119
miguelazo wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Are you saying that the US/it's allies destroyed Nordstream 2? Is there any proof of that? What lead you to believe this?

US is the only party that both benefits financially by this and has the capabilities to strike targets in the midst of NATO waters.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by dang »

flanflan wrote: post #51
hardlianotion wrote: post #23

One question that always seems to be unclear and insufficiently negotiated is reciprocity. What is the US going to offer in return. If they do offer to reciprocate, it actually needs to be delivered before the deal is live. That said, I think it is a shitty deal for these leaky, insecure, bad faith entities to be able to negotiate off to the side with our sensitive personal data like this.

> What is the US going to offer in return. Nothing, it's a hostage situation.

Could you please stop posting unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments to HN? You've unfortunately been doing this repeatedly (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34151395). It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. We're trying for something different here.

If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by jacquesm »

adventured wrote: post #73
jeremyjh wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you read TFA? It would only be used for people entering the US.

Nobody in this thread apparently read it. This has turned into a Reddit America-bad thread, it's embarrassing for HN.

Sorry, I did read it and by my reading it looks like a non-reciprocal request for access to a lot of EU data that isn't supposed to leave the EU at all, ever, especially not in bulk.

What alternative reading do you have?

The problem with the approach outlined in the document is that it tries to break open the EU by approaching member states individually, possibly even to access data from other member states, something that I have a serious problem with.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by vinay427 »

InTheArena wrote: post #62

Reading through the slides, it appears that what has been discussed is sharing signature and fingerprints for travel into the USA. There is a lot of weasel words, but it's probably worth nothing that the USA currently collects this information for foreign nationals coming into the USA (as the EU does for Americans traveling into the EU). This is being done in the context of a DB query as part of the e VISA applicatio…

> (as the EU does for Americans traveling into the EU)

This doesn't seem true unless the US citizen is resident in a Schengen area country or (as a technicality) is also an EU/Schengen area citizen, as the EU seems slightly more in favor of government collection of biometric data for automated immigration purposes. I'm not sure about the reverse, as even the CBP seems to be moving towards facial recognition in place of fingerprint data, but it seems like most non-US/Canadian visitors are required to provide fingerprints.

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