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I sincerely hope that the EU will give the appropriate but unprintable response to this request. At the time the biometric data was first collected plenty of people warned about this exact thing and we were repeatedly assured that it would never happen. Let's see if that is still true today. Never is such a long time...
They'll accept and they'll give them the keys, oh wait, Microsoft already has it all
Reading through the slides, it appears that what has been discussed is sharing signature and fingerprints for travel into the USA. There is a lot of weasel words, but it's probably worth nothing that the USA currently collects this information for foreign nationals coming into the USA (as the EU does for Americans traveling into the EU). This is being done in the context of a DB query as part of the e VISA applicatio…
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I haven't been back there since 2007 and have no intention to ever go back there. I missed a couple of funerals of friends because of that but the typical 'welcome' (I use the term loosely) afforded by DHS to visitors to the USA has persuaded me that I have better things to do with my life. The decision not to re-visit was made somewhere between the point where my shoes were confiscated because they might be used as…
The US doesn’t operate Canadian border control?
How would the US react to the same request from EU's police? Would they give direct access to their people's biometric data? Conversely, what would the EU do if that same request came from another nation instead of the USA? What about Brazil, Japan, China?
I know those are all rethorical questions, but for any anglophiles here: The answer to all these questions would be hard "No.", possibly followed by sanctions for even daring to ask them.
Whether it's good local privacy laws in your country or a good privacy-respecting TOS from a company, both are basically worthless when a bigger entity comes barging into the picture. So your government collects biometric data but passes laws promising not to misuse it... you may very well find that those promises are worth less than dirt when a country with leverage over your own starts making demands that your gove…
Reading through the slides, it appears that what has been discussed is sharing signature and fingerprints for travel into the USA. There is a lot of weasel words, but it's probably worth nothing that the USA currently collects this information for foreign nationals coming into the USA (as the EU does for Americans traveling into the EU). This is being done in the context of a DB query as part of the e VISA applicatio…
You mean USA won't misuse this data?
They don’t spy on their own citizens but they exchange info with the other spy agencies, so…
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> What is the US going to offer in return. Nothing, it's a hostage situation.
But is it really? The EU can just respond with: "no". And while that would hurt the economy of the EU it would also hurt the economy of the US. I do not really see any reason for the EU to say yes to this unless the EU gets something in return.
How would the US react to the same request from EU's police? Would they give direct access to their people's biometric data? Conversely, what would the EU do if that same request came from another nation instead of the USA? What about Brazil, Japan, China?
Given the US has army bases all in and around Europe, more than any European country, I bet the US wouldn't comply. It's rarely talked about, but you gotta imagine, the fact the US controls most of the land and sea is a big factor in how diplomatic issues are resolved. I don't think this is a great thing, btw.
They do so with the help of allies which they seem to forget.