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Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Post by llamaimperative »

zdragnar wrote: post #194
llamaimperative wrote: post #188

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I’ve just explained what’s different. A successful genocide campaign carried out over centuries that has slowed but not stopped and certainly not reversed course.

Many of those crossing illegally are also descendants of repressed peoples, either African and / or already native at the time of Spanish settlement. They come from communities facing brutal repression, either at the hands of government military or drug cartels. You seem to view the world as if any of these problems are unique to America.

Well yes, the problem of being targeted by a centuries-long genocide campaign carried out by and within the borders of the wealthiest and most advanced nation on earth is, in fact, unique to American indigenous peoples.

I'm not saying "bad things only happen to native Americans." I'm saying "the American campaign of genocide against native Americans only happened to native Americans."

At this point you seem to be willfully ignoring the numerous modern day examples of injustices perpetrated on these people. This is not some long-gone history. As mentioned in other threads, governments kidnapped native children as recently as the 1970s. They showed up to houses, stole children, shipped those children to boarding schools to be raped, tortured, and killed en masse - optimistically to be brainwashed out of their culture. Governments are continuing to wrestle natural resources from tribes as recently as today. Right now. Across the entire country.

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Post by rolph »

phkahler wrote: post #184
aaomidi wrote: post #167

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Not exactly what you’re asking but there’s also a concept of genetic trauma, where some traumas can fundamentally change your offspring. For example, your grandmother from your moms side technically made the egg cells that you were born from. That means that whatever your grandmother was going through could for example pass on all the way down to you.

>> For example, your grandmother from your moms side technically made the egg cells that you were born from. That can't be right. Grandma gave mom a single cell. Mom's ovaries with grandpa's DNA too produced the egg leading to me. Or is there some element I'm not aware of that make it more like stated above?

epigenetic modulation of penetrance, and/or heritability.

environment causes biochemical changes of the state of the DNA. methylation is a common phenomenon.

also, vertical transmission of DNA state facilitating transcription factor modulation of constituative expression. this one is a complex concept but is also a common example.

sums up to, physical state of DNA can be transferred and conserved, during replication.

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Post by kwhitefoot »

karmelapple wrote: post #138
zdragnar wrote: post #15

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From the article, the community has stockpiled resources, but their plows and skidsteers are all out of commission. They literally cannot get to the firewood, and every time they clear some snow out more blows in. Some people have been completely isolated in their homes for 8 days. I'd say most people, even in rural areas, don't have a supply that'll last longer than that, except for some hardcore preppers.

I grew up in North Dakota, and the place in this news story is in South Dakota. I knew plenty of folks in rural areas with enough resources for weeks, not days. Running water might be the exception, but many farmers I know had well water.

If you have enough fuel then water is not a problem in the snow. I've been in a cabin in Norway when the well which was about 70 metres away was buried in snow but we just took a bucket full of snow in an put it on top of the wood burner to thaw.

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Post by thebigman433 »

kspacewalk2 wrote: post #60
MonkeyMalarky wrote: post #16

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Yes, why aren't these people self sufficient after we took away all their means of self sufficiency? It's a real big mystery isn't it.

>Yes, why aren't these people self sufficient after we took away all their means of self sufficiency? This sounds very much like "racism of low expectations". "These people" are just as self-sufficient as any other group of modern people of similar socioeconomic background. It's been 100+ years since they were mistreated in any serious fashion. I come from eastern Europe and 150 years ago most of my ancestors were se…

> It's been 100+ years since they were mistreated in any serious fashion

This is just patently untrue. Land is still being stolen, programs to help Indigenous people are still being cut. I dont think people realize how close our history actually is. There were still nearly 10,000 children in Native American residential schools as of 2007. The height of them ended in the 70s, which is barely 50 years away. Thats quite literally the parents of modern day teenagers and young adults.

These schools have absolutely decimated the population and culture of indigenous people.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_boarding_schoo....

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Post by rascul »

survirtual wrote: post #187
ISL wrote: post #107

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No one in the US, for instance, has any excuse because it is all very very affordable More than half of people in the United States may not be able to cover a $1k emergency expense from savings. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/01/19/56p... While some of that effect is due to economic choices, much of it is not. It is difficult to prepare for a long-tail disaster when you're facing oodles of short-t…

People in the US can afford a 5 gallon container of beans and rice. My suggestion isn’t financially impractical for anyone, this is nonsense. It is just a matter of priorities and knowledge, and who is here on Hacker News reading what I wrote? Is it a population that can afford these suggestions or isn’t it?

> People in the US can afford a 5 gallon container of beans and rice. My suggestion isn’t financially impractical for anyone, this is nonsense.

There are plenty of people in the US who can barely scrape together enough to feed themselves for a day. Telling these people to just spend more money isn't helpful.

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Post by the_only_law »

pvaldes wrote: post #82

Modern people really has lost the old skill to analyze problems creatively https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/most-t-sh... And I'm not dismissing the situation or laughing about other's misery, but it looks like a poor solution

So what your solution is some idiotic record stunt instead? Put so many shirts that you can’t see and barely move? Nah I’ll just burn shit. Also that record is from 2019. In what delusional universe is 2019 not “modern people”.

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Post by lisper »

Ntrails wrote: post #204
boomboomsubban wrote: post #160

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_and_Native_Americans#G... Alcoholism rates among Native Americans is higher than most groups, which leads some to suspect a genetic reason. Currently, there isn't a ton of evidence supporting that idea.

I knew about the alcoholism rates, but had always assumed it was a socio-economic / situational driven thing. I understand that historically it was used in some sense to control and indeed damage the Native Americans by the colonists? To what extent alcohol was completely new etc I do not know

It is very hard to tease genetic factors out from socio-economic ones, but IMHO it seems plausible that a population that has been exposed to alcohol for a long time (hundreds of generations) may have been better selected for higher tolerance than a population that has been exposed only recently (a few dozen generations, and with modern technology making selection pressure lower in general).

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Post by lazyasciiart »

c-fe wrote: post #77
zdragnar wrote: post #15

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From the article, the community has stockpiled resources, but their plows and skidsteers are all out of commission. They literally cannot get to the firewood, and every time they clear some snow out more blows in. Some people have been completely isolated in their homes for 8 days. I'd say most people, even in rural areas, don't have a supply that'll last longer than that, except for some hardcore preppers.

> I'd say most people, even in rural areas, don't have a supply that'll last longer than that, except for some hardcore preppers. I disagree. Or, at least where I live (densely populated europe), nearly everyone with their own house has at lease one (small) fireplace with some wood stored outside, typically enough for at least a month (otherwhise, do you go shopping wood every week?). Food-wise I agree that 8 days ma…

Enough for a month of what? Small decorative fires part of the day, or fires large enough to heat the house and cook food on 24/7? The fireplaces I’m familiar with would never heat the entire house, no matter how much wood you had outside.

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Post by vorpalhex »

sillystuff wrote: post #198
kwhitefoot wrote: post #7

The real story here seems to me to be not that people burned their clothes to stay warm but that people in a place with fragile connections to the outside world had so little in the way of supplies to weather a relatively short period without food deliveries. I'm not blaming them, I assume that many of the affected people don't have the resources to keep a buffer stock.

They cannot afford to stockpile fuel. I listen to a podcast by a man who grew up on that reservation. While he was back visiting his grandmother, a propane truck was filling her tank. He told the driver, "Whoa! Stop! We can't afford that much!" The driver told him, "Don't worry, it's free. Venezuela is paying to fill everyone's tank." Those propane tanks are mostly empty unless Venezuela is paying (before Venezuelan…

It looks like that program was halted in 2009 due to oil prices increasing dramatically, not due to sanctions.
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