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Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Post by kneebonian »

EschatonCometh wrote: post #158
kneebonian wrote: post #139

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> Some people have been completely isolated in their homes for 8 days. I'd say most people, even in rural areas, don't have a supply that'll last longer than that, except for some hardcore preppers. I wouldn't say that, I try and always have 3 months supply of food on hand in case something happens, even just a temporary job loss, in fact the idea of having less than a full months supply of food on hand seems terrify…

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I mean the Church I belong to says nothing about the end times but rather encourages it as a matter of self-reliance with the idea being you need to be in a stable place in order to help and lift others, nothing about the end times.

EDIT: I should clarify the Church I belong to doesn't encourage having a supply of food because of end times although it does accept the doctrine of Eschatology.

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Post by smcl »

macinjosh wrote: post #179
smcl wrote: post #36

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> We've moved on from "global warming" to "climate change" language Presumably because during winter certain people would point at a freak snowstorm and say "so much for global warming!" to try to minimise it (tbh they still do). Temperature rising has a few more side-effects than just your winter being milder by 1-2C, I think using a different term is entirely appropriate

The same thing happens on the flip side. I have a coworker who genuinely believes every big hurricane is caused by global warming and that if it wasn’t for global warming it would snow more.

Well that just goes to show that it's possible to be either naive and broadly in agreement with scientific consensus or naive and in agreement with some loud non-scientists who live in the TV and give you the news :)

I guess the harm in the former is that they'll be held up in bad-faith in a similar manner to the "so much for climate change" argument.

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Post by pard68 »

EschatonCometh wrote: post #158
kneebonian wrote: post #139

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> Some people have been completely isolated in their homes for 8 days. I'd say most people, even in rural areas, don't have a supply that'll last longer than that, except for some hardcore preppers. I wouldn't say that, I try and always have 3 months supply of food on hand in case something happens, even just a temporary job loss, in fact the idea of having less than a full months supply of food on hand seems terrify…

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> EschatonCometh

I can't stop laughing. Your lack of self awareness is staggering

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Post by zdragnar »

llamaimperative wrote: post #188
landemva wrote: post #172

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> There’s a wealth and basic life standard gap that is impossible to bootstrap. USA southern border is over-run with poor people trying to get in. I wonder what is different for these folks?

I’ve just explained what’s different. A successful genocide campaign carried out over centuries that has slowed but not stopped and certainly not reversed course.

Many of those crossing illegally are also descendants of repressed peoples, either African and / or already native at the time of Spanish settlement. They come from communities facing brutal repression, either at the hands of government military or drug cartels.

You seem to view the world as if any of these problems are unique to America.

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Post by dmkolobov »

kspacewalk2 wrote: post #60
MonkeyMalarky wrote: post #16

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Yes, why aren't these people self sufficient after we took away all their means of self sufficiency? It's a real big mystery isn't it.

>Yes, why aren't these people self sufficient after we took away all their means of self sufficiency? This sounds very much like "racism of low expectations". "These people" are just as self-sufficient as any other group of modern people of similar socioeconomic background. It's been 100+ years since they were mistreated in any serious fashion. I come from eastern Europe and 150 years ago most of my ancestors were se…

There’s a very real difference between mostly everyone being serfs long ago, and a relatively small, particular group being targeted by government sponsored economic/cultural/physical violence in your lifetime.

I live in Denver, with a very large Native population, and many still remember being taken from their families and being forced to speak English, while the rest of the country experience the affluence boom of the suburbs and such. Acknowledging that recent history isn’t controversial in those communities.

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Post by survirtual »

ScoobleDoodle wrote: post #92
survirtual wrote: post #59

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Most people in rural areas have some kind of food store with canned goods. With things like Soylent and Huel, those can also be used. I had 6 months of Soylent back in the day. 2 bags of Huel can last about 6 days and fits in a small bag — it is one of my hacks for backpacking. If you haven’t already, I recommend having a supply of canned beans, canned tuna, canned meats to preference, canned sardines, bulk rice (you…

Are you suggesting the inductive stove top because it’s more energy efficient? Thank you for sharing all of these recommendations.

No, that is only if you have a solar setup and are efficient enough for offgrid independent electricity. It is a suggestion for people with money to do a setup that doesn’t compromise on modern luxury even in disaster. Given the population here, I figured there are people who can afford that kind of setup; it would be in the range of $75,000 to do properly but do it yourself (so cost of materials).

Without that, the method for heating food I’d use is a propane stove. You can get a single burner for under $30. I always have 4, 5lbs propane canisters with me to cook while traveling. For a house, you can have a large propane tank.

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Post by pard68 »

bombcar wrote: post #143
kranke155 wrote: post #126

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This comment is peak HN contrarianism. “How come they didn’t prepare better for a brutal winter” Is the new “Dropbox will never work”

I suspect that most HN commentators do NOT know exactly how close to starvation and freezing and death they are (you can sit down and calculate it based on which assumptions could fail) but in the places where it gets cold you may be days or less if power fails. If your furnace can’t run without electricity how long does your house stay habitable? What backup heat do you have? If the gas lines are flowing you might b…

I too appreciate your comment. Most folks here are probably less prepared than those in these rural reservations. NYC area has begun warning about blackouts to conserve power. They don't even have a fireplace or woodstove to burn clothes in.

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Post by sillystuff »

kwhitefoot wrote: post #7

The real story here seems to me to be not that people burned their clothes to stay warm but that people in a place with fragile connections to the outside world had so little in the way of supplies to weather a relatively short period without food deliveries. I'm not blaming them, I assume that many of the affected people don't have the resources to keep a buffer stock.

They cannot afford to stockpile fuel.

I listen to a podcast by a man who grew up on that reservation. While he was back visiting his grandmother, a propane truck was filling her tank. He told the driver, "Whoa! Stop! We can't afford that much!" The driver told him, "Don't worry, it's free. Venezuela is paying to fill everyone's tank."

Those propane tanks are mostly empty unless Venezuela is paying (before Venezuelan oil revenues dropped, Venezuela provided free propane and heating oil to the desperately poor throughout the US [and many other countries]-- in solidarity. The illegal sanctions by the US and the US's illegal seizure of Venezuela's foreign assets, that have crippled the Venezuelan economy mean it is highly unlikely this Venezuelan program will return.)

Edit: Corrected initial cause of the termination of Venezuela's heating fuel program-- per child comment by vorpalhex.

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Post by trollied »

Aeolun wrote: post #130
brookst wrote: post #111

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Thank you for the context. It’s a little cringey to read all of the comparatively wealthy and privileged comments that boil down to “why didn’t they just spend lots of money on equipment and supplies.”

Another question is why they all still live there?

I guess you don’t understand how things work outside of your circle. They’re not software engineers on ridiculous salaries. Lots of people live day to day, not knowing where their next meal is coming from, never mind prepping a huge stockpile for storm events, or being able to spend thousands moving elsewhere & being able to afford said move/rent elsewhere/get work etc.

People’s biggest problems are mostly not how to pass a FAANG interview.

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Post by soVeryTired »

phkahler wrote: post #184
aaomidi wrote: post #167

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Not exactly what you’re asking but there’s also a concept of genetic trauma, where some traumas can fundamentally change your offspring. For example, your grandmother from your moms side technically made the egg cells that you were born from. That means that whatever your grandmother was going through could for example pass on all the way down to you.

>> For example, your grandmother from your moms side technically made the egg cells that you were born from. That can't be right. Grandma gave mom a single cell. Mom's ovaries with grandpa's DNA too produced the egg leading to me. Or is there some element I'm not aware of that make it more like stated above?

I guess the egg cell you came from was made inside your grandma when your mom was an embryo in her. So the the cell was technically made inside your grandma’s body.
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