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Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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How times have changed since Tesla was untouchable here. What happened and why does everyone talk like they've always hated Tesla (and Elon)? Surely it's mostly the same crowd as when Tesla was loved and Elon a superstar.

Musk bought Twitter and fired 50% od the staff without Twitter crashing, which exposed how overstaffed and overpayed thise guys were

I don’t know that they were overpaid. I also don’t know that all the people fired had to deal with day-to-day uptime operations. If they did, then they probably were over-staffed but probably they were not and I think we all know that. Now, it seeend quite likely they were over staffed to an extent but I don’t know about this idea that “Twitter is still up so those people were useless.”

Also, Musk fired some people for saying stupid things about their boss on his platform, that is just fair play. I don’t see why people like NYT are up in arms about it (well, I do). However, read Musk’s Tweets from November. He was behaving like a little child trolling on the Internet.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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The idea is that the cost of a ride would go way down because you don’t need to compensate a driver.

Assuming no deadheading and equivalent vehicle costs, you're probably looking at about 50% of current Uber costs if there were autonomous vehicles today. Whether that qualifies as "way down" I guess is a matter of perspective.

EVs also reduce the fuel costs considerably (probably also the maintenance costs).

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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Teslas don’t have LiDAR, which is used in all the best self driving systems.

He was talking about humans.

Humans have stereoscopic vision

Edit: I'd love to know why I'm being downvoted. Tesla cars guess depth with a neural net. Humans have the hardware for getting this data directly. Unless you either have lidar, radar, or dedicated stereoscopic cameras, you don't have real/accurate depth data. And depth data like that stops your car from plowing into white trucks.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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FSD = fraudulent sales and disappointment I can’t believe Tesla has gotten away with selling a feature that doesn’t exist, and will never be delivered, on so many cars for so long. Tesla began selling “full self-driving” in October, 2016 and a month later marketed it with (now known to be heavily controlled) video of a car driving itself for two minutes. Owners of those initial cars have probably paid them off by now…

The only FSD I know is the Frame Shift Drive, sometimes known as the Friendship Drive.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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Mainstream full self driving would just create massive traffic and gridlock - pointless in the end. The induced demand would outweigh the benefits. States are better off acknowledging that sprawling car dependent cities are not sustainable. High frequency busses in the interim with rail transit is the real solution. Current self driving technology plus some key infrastructure changes with dedicated bus lanes and prio…

>Mainstream full self driving would just create massive traffic and gridlock

Can you show your work here?

> States are better off acknowledging that sprawling car dependent cities are not sustainable. High frequency busses in the interim with rail transit is the real solution.

No, see, mass transit is pointless since it would just create massive demand that would overwhelm the system and thus fall apart. Citation: trust me bro

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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Teslas don’t have LiDAR, which is used in all the best self driving systems.

He was talking about humans.

I hope not because it makes them even more wrong. Humans have a number of different sensors we use while driving.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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Really? Do you find Uber and Lyft to be affordable or a financially sensible means of regular transportation?

Not paying a human to do the driving would make Uber/Lyft much cheaper, it's the dominant cost component of a ride if you do the math.

hold up hold up hold up.

So there was a recent article (in Slate, I believe?) by someone who had driven for Lyft ten years ago and who did it a little bit this year just to see how it changed. They said that the chief thing was that Lyft's take was significantly larger than it used to be, about 40% of the total fares collected.

Which, like, you're looking at that and it seems reasonable, right? Let's step into our time machine, though, and look at fare breakdowns in the taxi era, where the way you got a ride was by calling up a dispatcher who would send out a car. In that era, drivers got to take home about 85% of the total fares.

So: we've gone from a non-automated system where the driver makes a supermajority of the money, to a more-automated system where the driver is taking in significantly less.

And I know what you're thinking, you're thinking "A ha! The driver is taking in more than half the money! You are simply proving my point~!!1!"

Here's the deal:

* Less importantly: the cost of auto maintenance, something that would have to be carried by the company if the car were self-driving, falls upon the driver

* More importantly: for some reason I cannot begin to intuit, rideshare companies have managed to introduce vastly more overhead costs, even though one would expect that going from a human-dispatch to an automatic-dispatch system would cut overhead.

I suspect that if one of the rideshare companies actually rolled out working self-driving cars (so Waymo, not Tesla), they would somehow find a way to make rides actually more expensive.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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20 years ago, the Linux kernel version was 2.5, we had the Intel Pentium III, Apple just released the Lamp, Nickelback was Top 1 with "How you remind me?" for over 16 weeks, Warcraft 3 got released and I bought my first Palm Tungsten. This reads like another world because it was and I suspect the world will change even faster in the next 20. We will have cat like AGI before 2042.

> This reads like another world because it was So...another world with a slightly different taste in music and less advanced consumer electronics? Pretty picayune difference.

Ever gone out in a small town or village? Not much changed in the last 20 years, it was mostly at home. Take away the flatscreens, smartphones, tablets and calendars (doh) and nobody could tell you if it's the 00s, 10s or 20s.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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Alternatively, a bunch of friends could buy a car together and split the costs. I could see a scenario where instead of (or in addition to) vehicles being pooled between "x" random people (taxis, Uber/Lyft, ZipCar), you could purchase a fractional share of a car ( Cf . NetJets): you get semi-exclusive use of (particular?) vehicles.

I considered this in college, but gave up on the idea eventually. Figuring out how to fairly split the cost of gas, tires, and maintenance isn't easy, and when you're a broke college kid, splitting the tab fairly is a big deal.

I wonder if it became more of a thing, companies would help to solve the coordination problem on this.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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I live in Boston. You know all those stereotypes about Boston drivers and Boston traffic? Largely accurate. If they ever do succeed in creating an AI powerful enough to drive a car safely in this Commonwealth, I want that AI curing cancer and inventing time travel, not bothering with trifles like driving.
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