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Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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Post by GoOnThenDoTell »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #63
endisneigh wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Seriously though there are ways of reducing traffic on the roads like increased registration taxes, raising the price of tolls, gas price hikes (or equivalent dc fast charging price hikes). Gridlock won’t be a problem. Yes, this is why traffic is so minimal in the top 10 MSAs in America.

It just means prices are not high enough. Make it $100 to travel at rush hour on a particular stretch of road, and congestion will go away very quickly.

This actually sounds really great for those who can afford it

I love express lanes, they cost so little and everyone stays out of them leading to a great experience for only 5-10 $

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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Post by Tempest1981 »

mythhouse wrote: post #17

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billHistoryClient.x... Wow introduced end of feb this year and passed by end of this year. Looking from outside, I am Amazed by the speed of American democracy .

From reading the news, the California legislature was mostly focused on things like housing. This may be some year-end "cleanup".

(Is there a chart somewhere, showing what lawmakers spend their time discussing? Both state and federal.)

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Post by theCrowing »

option wrote: post #42

Let that sink in. And you know what is not arriving anytime soon? Even “cat-level” AGI is just not going to happen within next 20 years at least.

20 years ago, the Linux kernel version was 2.5, we had the Intel Pentium III, Apple just released the Lamp, Nickelback was Top 1 with "How you remind me?" for over 16 weeks, Warcraft 3 got released and I bought my first Palm Tungsten.

This reads like another world because it was and I suspect the world will change even faster in the next 20. We will have cat like AGI before 2042.

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Post by drno123 »

Kiro wrote: post #61

How times have changed since Tesla was untouchable here. What happened and why does everyone talk like they've always hated Tesla (and Elon)? Surely it's mostly the same crowd as when Tesla was loved and Elon a superstar.

Musk bought Twitter and fired 50% od the staff without Twitter crashing, which exposed how overstaffed and overpayed thise guys were

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Post by scaramanga »

Kiro wrote: post #61

How times have changed since Tesla was untouchable here. What happened and why does everyone talk like they've always hated Tesla (and Elon)? Surely it's mostly the same crowd as when Tesla was loved and Elon a superstar.

I think a lot of people got caught up in a sort of mass mania induced by media portrayals of a billionaire genius with a mission to change the world for the better.

Recent events have just given people permission to climb down from the collective psychosis.

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Post by endisneigh »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #69
endisneigh wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reducing the congestion isn't the goal though. Increasing throughput is. Cars simply have worse throughput than a train, or a bus for that matter. Simple as that. Charging more money would be counterproductive unless that money served to build out transit since you would increase the congestion on the non-toll roads.

It is one and the same. There will be no political will to invest in quality public transit unless there is lots of pain in using comfortable and convenient individual vehicle transit. Paying $100+ for a trip will make people support bus and train and bicycle infrastructure investments. Keep driving costs down at $0.60 to $1.00 per minute or per mile, and it makes sense to use your own car, which then means it makes…

in practice this doesn't make sense since people are broke. you're be punishing them for no reason, they would continue to drive on more and more congested roads, take longer to get to their destination and you wouldn't raise enough to build out public transit. everyone loses. well, actually, I guess rich people paying $100 a ride on underutilized roads would win. great for them I guess.

this is already the status quo.

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Post by marvin »

Kiro wrote: post #61

How times have changed since Tesla was untouchable here. What happened and why does everyone talk like they've always hated Tesla (and Elon)? Surely it's mostly the same crowd as when Tesla was loved and Elon a superstar.

Tesla has been hated on HN for years. Current sentiment is just a continuation of that long trend.

I've kept a record of HN comment threads that keelhaul Tesla and Musk since around 2015 or so. I really believed in the company's mission and execution throughout those years (and still do), and wanted to keep a record of the very widespread opposing view. This in order to document it in case I was wrong, or in case I was right and someone claimed in retrospect that success was obvious and inevitable.

I don't believe there has been a material change in sentiment.

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Post by h2odragon »

Kiro wrote: post #61

How times have changed since Tesla was untouchable here. What happened and why does everyone talk like they've always hated Tesla (and Elon)? Surely it's mostly the same crowd as when Tesla was loved and Elon a superstar.

Musk spoke political heresy.

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Post by jimkleiber »

endisneigh wrote: post #16

Mainstream full self driving would just create massive traffic and gridlock - pointless in the end. The induced demand would outweigh the benefits. States are better off acknowledging that sprawling car dependent cities are not sustainable. High frequency busses in the interim with rail transit is the real solution. Current self driving technology plus some key infrastructure changes with dedicated bus lanes and prio…

I assume if there were more self-driving cars, fewer people would own cars. I think more people would take Ubers, Lyfts, and other ride sharing services.

So I think that could reduce the need for parking and the amount of traffic just by increasing the utilization rate of cars.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

GoOnThenDoTell wrote: post #71
lotsofpulp wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It just means prices are not high enough. Make it $100 to travel at rush hour on a particular stretch of road, and congestion will go away very quickly.

This actually sounds really great for those who can afford it I love express lanes, they cost so little and everyone stays out of them leading to a great experience for only 5-10 $

Wealth inequality is a separate problem with separate solutions. It is possible to simultaneously redistribute wealth, and implement measures to curb personal car usage (which is basically the cause of congestion).
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