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Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by lesuorac »

93po wrote: post #957
pms wrote: post #949

At this point it looks like Musk is somewhat paranoid about his life, which reminds me of dictators being paranoid about their life. That's not very surprising given that Musk is far from being honest to consumers. For instance, Tesla was found to be deactivating the autopilot mode at the second before a crash [1], to make their system look safer than it is in reality. [1] PDF https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/2022/IN…

This is a whole new level of mental gymnastics to somehow shoe-horn your PDF into a conversation about Twitter. 1. You have no idea what the intention is behind an alleged disabling. There are a thousand perfectly rational reasons why you'd want to turn off self driving when automated emergency braking has been enabled. Autopilot in general is designed around the premise of disabling during non-normal events. A pendi…

> 2. There is pretty extensive rebuttals so the most notable example used in your PDF, including that the car in question didn't even have have FSD purchased and that even if autopiloted was purchased, standard Autopilot would require lane lines to turn on, which this street did not have.

I mean the PDF is about a series of cars. I'm guessing you didn't read the 4 pages.

Given that Tesla is not anywhere close to level 5 self driving it's definitely expected for the self driving features to disable themselves prior to a crash as Human intervention was required (this is by definition, a crash occurred).

> A father had the vehicle his child was in attacked. He's upset and afraid of the welfare of his family, and you decide to compare this behavior to that of a dictator? Cool

Penalty should fit the crime. If you jaywalk across the street I shouldn't be able to arrest a random person because of it. Similarly, if somebody attacks a vehicle located away from an airport on a day that a twitter account doesn't post a message you shouldn't claim that twitter account's (lack of) posting is responsible.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by cwkoss »

fdschoeneman wrote: post #772
hackcasual wrote: post #2

Difficult not to see this as anything other petulance. It's Musk's site and he's free to do whatever he wants with it, but this seems squarely against "any legal speech will be allowed"

Did you watch the same video I did? It's easy to see this as something other than petulance. It's not complicated. Elon is scared for his family. That's a very human thing. In his place I'd do everything I could to protect them. The elonjet account was a security risk to a public figure in the same way that publishing the home address of Supreme Court Justices is a legitimate security risk -- and in the same way that…

A lot of people think he is lying about being scared for his family to justify unprincipled actions that satisfy his megalomania.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by whodunnit »

Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #895

It's interesting that many are debating the value of this 'rule', when this action is blatant abuse of his powers to silence his critics. He has now a lengthy and growing history of this type of behavior, so it was 100% foreseeable. He could just come out and say that its his twitter and he can do what he wants, but no, because he also wants to be seen as a 'defender of free speech'. He acts like a-hole, but then exp…

> He acts like a-hole, but then expects unquestioning adoration.

Very typical narcissistic personality disorder symptoms. Narcissists are made not born, by other narcissists, thru treatment that is dehumanizing and inhumane from a very young age. We should give him our compassion and empathy, but not allow him any power. Power in the hands of a narcissist is dangerous, as the orange man showed us.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by PM_me_your_math »

Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #895

It's interesting that many are debating the value of this 'rule', when this action is blatant abuse of his powers to silence his critics. He has now a lengthy and growing history of this type of behavior, so it was 100% foreseeable. He could just come out and say that its his twitter and he can do what he wants, but no, because he also wants to be seen as a 'defender of free speech'. He acts like a-hole, but then exp…

Blocking those who want to give the general public up to-the-minute location information on him and his family is "silencing his critics?"

Nothing could be further from the truth.

You have no fundamental right to track Elon Musk, just like I would have no fundamental right to track the whereabouts of you and your family. Disagree? When do you let us attach a tracking device to your conveyance?

Few, if any, would be comfortable having their family movements tracked by the public.

Also, journalist is a bit of a stretch. Journalism died a long time ago. Corporate script-readers at best, and state-run media parrots at worst. Either would be a better description than "journalist."

I remember when that "journalist" from WashPost published the home address of a woman she didn't like. Everyone was all for that...

Now it seems the shoe is on the other foot and the hypocrites don't like it.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by PM_me_your_math »

JeremyNT wrote: post #920
eric_cc wrote: post #904

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's interesting that many are debating the value of this 'rule', when this action is blatant abuse of his powers to silence his critics. I think it’s you that’s missing the point here. It’s only abuse of power if the rule against doxxing is invalid. So it does come down to the rule and whether or not doxxing is acceptable. If we decide that doxxing is acceptable and posting anybody’s real-time location data is acc…

> If we decide that doxxing is acceptable and posting anybody’s real-time location data is acceptable (without their consent), then he is abusing powers. If that is your conclusion, then you don’t have the right to complain should it happen to you. This really does not follow. We already have plenty of exceptions for what is appropriate when reporting on public versus private figures in other aspects of life. As Musk…

So when do we get a live feed on the positions of you and your family?

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by Eddy_Viscosity2 »

whodunnit wrote: post #963
Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #895

It's interesting that many are debating the value of this 'rule', when this action is blatant abuse of his powers to silence his critics. He has now a lengthy and growing history of this type of behavior, so it was 100% foreseeable. He could just come out and say that its his twitter and he can do what he wants, but no, because he also wants to be seen as a 'defender of free speech'. He acts like a-hole, but then exp…

> He acts like a-hole, but then expects unquestioning adoration. Very typical narcissistic personality disorder symptoms. Narcissists are made not born, by other narcissists, thru treatment that is dehumanizing and inhumane from a very young age. We should give him our compassion and empathy, but not allow him any power. Power in the hands of a narcissist is dangerous, as the orange man showed us.

> but not allow him any power

Agree, but I mean, how do you do that?

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by cwkoss »

93po wrote: post #958
cwkoss wrote: post #956

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I speculate he's been taking a lot of amphetamines to work long hours and is currently in a state of mild psychosis.

Glad we're having rational evidence based discussions around a stranger's medical status.

I think that's a weird bar to set, especially for one of the richest and most powerful people on the planet. Sorry I don't have any urinalysis results to cite, if I did I would!

When the king goes mad from drinking too much lead, the right response isn't for the populace to finger wag people suggesting it might be lead poisoning.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by pms »

93po wrote: post #957
pms wrote: post #949

At this point it looks like Musk is somewhat paranoid about his life, which reminds me of dictators being paranoid about their life. That's not very surprising given that Musk is far from being honest to consumers. For instance, Tesla was found to be deactivating the autopilot mode at the second before a crash [1], to make their system look safer than it is in reality. [1] PDF https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/2022/IN…

This is a whole new level of mental gymnastics to somehow shoe-horn your PDF into a conversation about Twitter. 1. You have no idea what the intention is behind an alleged disabling. There are a thousand perfectly rational reasons why you'd want to turn off self driving when automated emergency braking has been enabled. Autopilot in general is designed around the premise of disabling during non-normal events. A pendi…

> There are a thousand perfectly rational reasons

Definitely. Now I have a simple question to you -- do you honestly think they counted these crashes as Autopilot's fault in their publicly released statistics?

> There is pretty extensive rebuttals so the most notable example used in your PDF, including that the car in question didn't even have have FSD purchased and that even if autopiloted was purchased, standard Autopilot would require lane lines to turn on, which this street did not have.

Congratulations. I know firsthand how buggy software can be, so I don't trust this explanation, even if Tesla is honest here, but let's assume you explained 1 out of the 16 reported incidents. Would you mind explaining the remaining 15 incidents that were reported and investigated here?

Jul 2021 San Diego CA May 2021 Miami FL Mar 2021 Lansing MI Feb 2021 Montgomery County TX Aug 2020 Charlotte NC Jul 2020 Cochise County AZ Jan 2020 West Bridgewater MA Dec 2019 Cloverdale IN Dec 2019 Norwalk CT Jan 2018 Culver City CA Date City/County State Jan 2022 Desert Center CA Sep 2021 Petaluma CA Aug 2021 Orlando FL Apr 2021 Belmont CA Jan 2021 Mount Pleasant SC Nov 2020 Houston TX

What about all the crashes that weren't reported and investigated of Autopilot turning off right before the crash? Oh, it's a made up story, right? Twitter will decide the truth? Oh, wait...

> A father had the vehicle his child was in attacked.

Would you mind providing us some details about the "attack"? His airplane position is publicly available and is not the position of his car. Finally, we are not talking here about banning the account of the person who posted Mr. Musk's airplane positions, but accounts of journalists. If we want to have a constructive discussion, then it's not helpful to simplify all this into one heavily judgemental sentence.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by cwkoss »

awb wrote: post #773
yyyk wrote: post #312

The underlying issue: Musk's incentives don't give him much reason to care if Twitter goes under. Musk likely feels he might as well push for any changes he likes, and gain whether Twitter survives or not. What was Musk's biggest bugbear about 'old' Twitter? The moderation system. If Twitter goes under, the only practical alternative at the moment is Mastodon, and Mastodon can't replicate Twitter's moderation due to…

Why wouldn’t he care if Twitter goes under? It would be a double digit % decrease of his net worth if Twitter halves in value. It would also be a public embarrassment, and a wasted opportunity to have spent more time at his other companies.

He also leveraged a bunch of his tesla holdings to make the purchase. As his actions repeatedly make the TLSA price fall, there is risk of a margin call and him having to forfeit his collateralized shares.

Will be pretty funny if he loses control of Tesla.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by hinkley »

jacquesm wrote: post #555
hinkley wrote: post #389

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The silver lining here is that we are quickly learning beyond all shadow of doubt that you would not want to live on Mars in a dome owned by Elon Musk, at the same time the odds of that ever happening are dropping faster than his net worth.

Oxygen? That will be $8.

People complaining about the oxygen program have been suspended for 7 days. We expect this will reduce the amount of complaining substantially.
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