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Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by dmatech »

jacquesm wrote: post #523
barbariangrunge wrote: post #296

> Update: Musk just weighed in on the suspensions, characterizing them as intentional. “Same doxxing rules apply to “journalists” as to everyone else,” he tweeted in a reply. > It’s worth noting that the policy these accounts violated, a prohibition against sharing “live location information,” is only 24 hours old. It seems like a good rule, but in this case the application of the rule seems less impersonal than it c…

No, he banned a bunch of journalists for doing their jobs .

There are ways to do that job that don't involve poking the proverbial dragon every waking minute. You can call Elon a hypocrite for banning people who attack him relentlessly, but all humans are hypocrites. Perhaps they should take a break from the "Elon beat", because their reporting appears increasingly personal in nature.

The crowd that got banned seems unusually thick-headed, and they'll probably just attack Elon (and Twitter itself) even harder once they get unbanned. Karl Popper explained it better than I can, but Twitter doesn't have to extend unlimited tolerance to those who seek to destroy Twitter.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by eric_cc »

softwaredoug wrote: post #594
barbariangrunge wrote: post #296

> Update: Musk just weighed in on the suspensions, characterizing them as intentional. “Same doxxing rules apply to “journalists” as to everyone else,” he tweeted in a reply. > It’s worth noting that the policy these accounts violated, a prohibition against sharing “live location information,” is only 24 hours old. It seems like a good rule, but in this case the application of the rule seems less impersonal than it c…

I have this crazy idea.. If only there was.. now hear me out Some type of team at Twitter that could look at more tweets.. the resources to look at ALL of Twitter.., systematically, for these issues of “trust” and “safety” You could the create a very clear policy, and work to remove any doubt such a policy was consistently enforced! I know crazy idea..

That idea failed. Such teams will always be corrupt. Trust and Safety teams might as well be named what they are: Ideological Control teams.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by eric_cc »

jacquesm wrote: post #523
barbariangrunge wrote: post #296

> Update: Musk just weighed in on the suspensions, characterizing them as intentional. “Same doxxing rules apply to “journalists” as to everyone else,” he tweeted in a reply. > It’s worth noting that the policy these accounts violated, a prohibition against sharing “live location information,” is only 24 hours old. It seems like a good rule, but in this case the application of the rule seems less impersonal than it c…

No, he banned a bunch of journalists for doing their jobs .

So if I was hired to post your real-time location and disparage your reputation daily, it would be okay? As long as I have the proper job title?

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by klyrs »

haliskerbas wrote: post #910
klyrs wrote: post #896

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a comfort to me that the Constitution forbids him from running for president.

That is a mutable document.

You think that the anti-immigration party would galvanize around that issue?

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by WeylandYutani »

eric_cc wrote: post #913
jacquesm wrote: post #523

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, he banned a bunch of journalists for doing their jobs .

So if I was hired to post your real-time location and disparage your reputation daily, it would be okay? As long as I have the proper job title?

Don't run for political office if that upsets you.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by commandlinefan »

GoofballJones wrote: post #370
barbariangrunge wrote: post #296

> Update: Musk just weighed in on the suspensions, characterizing them as intentional. “Same doxxing rules apply to “journalists” as to everyone else,” he tweeted in a reply. > It’s worth noting that the policy these accounts violated, a prohibition against sharing “live location information,” is only 24 hours old. It seems like a good rule, but in this case the application of the rule seems less impersonal than it c…

Those journalists weren't reporting specific locations of his jet...they were reporting on a legit news story about it. Musk didn't like it so the journalists are now banned. The dude is truly off his rocker now. The "rules" are whatever he makes up on the spot. He's self-destructing before our eyes...no longer the richest man in the world. Telsa stock tanking all because he can't STFU and acts like a spoiled 12 year…

> The "rules" are whatever he makes up on the spot

But two years ago, the rules were whatever Vijaya Gadde made up on the spot. Why is this suddenly a cause for outrage? Twitter has always been like this.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by memish »

Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #895

It's interesting that many are debating the value of this 'rule', when this action is blatant abuse of his powers to silence his critics. He has now a lengthy and growing history of this type of behavior, so it was 100% foreseeable. He could just come out and say that its his twitter and he can do what he wants, but no, because he also wants to be seen as a 'defender of free speech'. He acts like a-hole, but then exp…

Welcome to the new Twitter, just like the old Twitter.

At least now everyone understands the value of a neutral free speech town square and can see that "it's a company, they can do what they want" was always a disingenuous argument. It was never principled, it was always predicated on bias alignment. It's the same with those who are happy about these journalists being banned. Blatant bias and hypocrisy on both sides.

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Post by ladyattis »

barbariangrunge wrote: post #296

> Update: Musk just weighed in on the suspensions, characterizing them as intentional. “Same doxxing rules apply to “journalists” as to everyone else,” he tweeted in a reply. > It’s worth noting that the policy these accounts violated, a prohibition against sharing “live location information,” is only 24 hours old. It seems like a good rule, but in this case the application of the rule seems less impersonal than it c…

The problem is that Musk is suggesting that anyone posting anything regarding ADS-B data, sites, applications, and so forth are violating the rule which isn't the case. These are legal and open radio topics, we're not talking about posting his bank records, we're talking about posting where a plane was last seen in the air which isn't the same as posting his private address.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by lanternfish »

chrisbaker98 wrote: post #868
hakanderyal wrote: post #706

Every time I see a new episode of this saga, I remember this[0] thread from Yishan, predicting these troubles. [0] https://twitter.com/yishan/status/1514938507407421440?s=46&t...

The problem with Yishan's analysis... > Both sides think the platform is institutionally biased against them. ... is that it could still be true that the platform is institutionally biased in one direction. Both sides could think it, but one could be right and the other could be wrong. Of course, if I try to stick up for one side then I'm playing into Yishan's hand. He's rigged the game so that if you try to argue ba…

I think this is a pretty significant misreading. The basic argument of Yishan's thread (external to the 'all tech companies want to do is tech, not politics' angle which is honestly kinda tangential) is that social media is hard because it's social, not because it's media. The part you're pointing to is meant to develop this because it's a fundamentally social effect which causes both sides of the aisle to feel marginalized by the institution - something I think we can agree is pretty empirically true. All that's needed for the (increasingly accurate) predictions of Musk's difficulties piloting the ship to stick is the intractability of _calm social discourse_ in what Yishan is calling the new 'culture'. I don't think Twitter having a political bias is relevant there.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by JeremyNT »

eric_cc wrote: post #904
Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #895

It's interesting that many are debating the value of this 'rule', when this action is blatant abuse of his powers to silence his critics. He has now a lengthy and growing history of this type of behavior, so it was 100% foreseeable. He could just come out and say that its his twitter and he can do what he wants, but no, because he also wants to be seen as a 'defender of free speech'. He acts like a-hole, but then exp…

> It's interesting that many are debating the value of this 'rule', when this action is blatant abuse of his powers to silence his critics. I think it’s you that’s missing the point here. It’s only abuse of power if the rule against doxxing is invalid. So it does come down to the rule and whether or not doxxing is acceptable. If we decide that doxxing is acceptable and posting anybody’s real-time location data is acc…

> If we decide that doxxing is acceptable and posting anybody’s real-time location data is acceptable (without their consent), then he is abusing powers. If that is your conclusion, then you don’t have the right to complain should it happen to you.

This really does not follow. We already have plenty of exceptions for what is appropriate when reporting on public versus private figures in other aspects of life. As Musk himself has demonstrated, "absolutism" of any sort is a difficult view to hold when one's feet are put to the fire, and nuance is actually important.

Even if you think that reporting on Elon's plane (or in the case here, the "reporting on the reporting" on Elon's plane) should be forbidden, I would suggest that this development is still difficult to defend. This is a reversal in policy that Elon made because it was about him personally.

Are you sure Elon will continue to agree with you on who/what to censor in the future?

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