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No, he banned a bunch of journalists for doing their jobs .

There are ways to do that job that don't involve poking the proverbial dragon every waking minute. You can call Elon a hypocrite for banning people who attack him relentlessly, but all humans are hypocrites. Perhaps they should take a break from the "Elon beat", because their reporting appears increasingly personal in nature. The crowd that got banned seems unusually thick-headed, and they'll probably just attack Elo…

> Karl Popper explained it better than I can

I think you got the wrong takeaway from that.

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I have this crazy idea.. If only there was.. now hear me out Some type of team at Twitter that could look at more tweets.. the resources to look at ALL of Twitter.., systematically, for these issues of “trust” and “safety” You could the create a very clear policy, and work to remove any doubt such a policy was consistently enforced! I know crazy idea..

That idea failed. Such teams will always be corrupt. Trust and Safety teams might as well be named what they are: Ideological Control teams.

A more accurate label would be "Ideologue Strawman" teams. The idea failed, but not for the reason you think - even when doing a decent job with a very hard problem, the corner cases create a lightning rod for criticism that results in a breakdown of public trust.

But still, a bureaucratic committee that produces relatively stable results instills a lot more trust than a single forum addict who then buys the forum so he can ban anyone who argues with him.

We, which very much includes myself, had come to take bureaucracies for granted. We focused on their failures, got frustrated at their stifling nature, and concluded the whole concept was worth raging against. But the resulting rise of individual-autocratic personalities has shown the value that bureaucracy had been bringing - slow moving predictability. All hail our Beige overlords?

Having said that, on the larger topic, I've been waiting for "web 2.0" to be revealed as the authoritarian dumpster fire it is since someone coined the term "AJAX". The obvious answer is decentralized systems that get the meddlesome third parties out of our personal interactions completely. And if this rampaging petty tyrant will help many more people to realize the intrinsic tyranny of centralized webapps, then I guess these events are a good thing?

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Every time I see a new episode of this saga, I remember this[0] thread from Yishan, predicting these troubles. [0] https://twitter.com/yishan/status/1514938507407421440?s=46&t...

The problem with Yishan's analysis... > Both sides think the platform is institutionally biased against them. ... is that it could still be true that the platform is institutionally biased in one direction. Both sides could think it, but one could be right and the other could be wrong. Of course, if I try to stick up for one side then I'm playing into Yishan's hand. He's rigged the game so that if you try to argue ba…

>> Both sides think the platform is institutionally biased against them.

But it was proven that one side was correct in the case of twitter:

Part 1: Matt Taibbi: https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598822959866683394

Part 2: Bari Weiss: https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1601007575633305600

Part 3: Matt Taibbi: https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1601352083617505281

Part 4: Michael Shellenberger: https://twitter.com/shellenbergermd/status/16017204550055116...

Part 5: Bari Weiss: https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1602364197194432515

Even Greenwald agreed with their assessment. Disagreeing with four of the best journalists alive today seems to me like someone drank some Kool-Aid.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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No, he banned a bunch of journalists for doing their jobs .

The article states that given reason was "journalists had revealed private information about his family" Your comment erroneously claims the reason was "for doing their jobs". I'd recommend reading dang's comment since you have a lot of inflammatory comments in this thread. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34010908

It's become really obvious that you're allowed to do that if you're hating on Musk/conservatives.

And it's really obvious why, too: https://i.imgur.com/taGzsZP.jpg

Since HN is basically the nerds from tech, it makes perfect sense.

Are there any Oracle employees that can comment on the hivemind?

You can even see it before you read it. Comments like yours that are entirely reasonable, and trying to protect what HN is supposed to be in good faith are being faded out of existence because you corrected misinformation that they prefer over the truth.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Did any of these journalists report his location? Or did they report about the banning of someone who reported his location?

They reported about the banning and that the ElonJet account has moved to Mastodon.

And they provided a link to Sweeney's tracking page.

People here keep omitting that part.

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At this point it looks like Musk is somewhat paranoid about his life, which reminds me of dictators being paranoid about their life. That's not very surprising given that Musk is far from being honest to consumers. For instance, Tesla was found to be deactivating the autopilot mode at the second before a crash [1], to make their system look safer than it is in reality. [1] PDF https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/2022/IN…

I speculate he's been taking a lot of amphetamines to work long hours and is currently in a state of mild psychosis.

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At this point it looks like Musk is somewhat paranoid about his life, which reminds me of dictators being paranoid about their life. That's not very surprising given that Musk is far from being honest to consumers. For instance, Tesla was found to be deactivating the autopilot mode at the second before a crash [1], to make their system look safer than it is in reality. [1] PDF https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/2022/IN…

This is a whole new level of mental gymnastics to somehow shoe-horn your PDF into a conversation about Twitter.

1. You have no idea what the intention is behind an alleged disabling. There are a thousand perfectly rational reasons why you'd want to turn off self driving when automated emergency braking has been enabled. Autopilot in general is designed around the premise of disabling during non-normal events. A pending crash is definitely one of these.

2. There is pretty extensive rebuttals so the most notable example used in your PDF, including that the car in question didn't even have have FSD purchased and that even if autopiloted was purchased, standard Autopilot would require lane lines to turn on, which this street did not have.

A father had the vehicle his child was in attacked. He's upset and afraid of the welfare of his family, and you decide to compare this behavior to that of a dictator? Cool

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At this point it looks like Musk is somewhat paranoid about his life, which reminds me of dictators being paranoid about their life. That's not very surprising given that Musk is far from being honest to consumers. For instance, Tesla was found to be deactivating the autopilot mode at the second before a crash [1], to make their system look safer than it is in reality. [1] PDF https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/2022/IN…

I speculate he's been taking a lot of amphetamines to work long hours and is currently in a state of mild psychosis.

Glad we're having rational evidence based discussions around a stranger's medical status.

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Those journalists weren't reporting specific locations of his jet...they were reporting on a legit news story about it. Musk didn't like it so the journalists are now banned. The dude is truly off his rocker now. The "rules" are whatever he makes up on the spot. He's self-destructing before our eyes...no longer the richest man in the world. Telsa stock tanking all because he can't STFU and acts like a spoiled 12 year…

> The "rules" are whatever he makes up on the spot But two years ago, the rules were whatever Vijaya Gadde made up on the spot. Why is this suddenly a cause for outrage? Twitter has always been like this.

Both are bad. The idea that one person doing wrong makes it right when someone ideologically opposed does the same thing is bad logic, and I've been seeing it way too often recently.

I worry the American education system is failing us.

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Most of HN completely miss the intent of conventional doxxing rules and widely accepted privacy laws in most countries. - Public figures, like politicians, top businessmen, and so on don't get the same amount of privacy and protection as regular Joe. You can follow them and track them. If you have power and influence, you don't enjoy the same privacy protections as others. That's a really good principle to have. - El…

It's funny how this debate has shifted. Now that Elon owns twitter, it's Elon haters bringing up the law whereas before they were talking about how twitter can do what they want as a private company. For my money, there's absolutely nothing wrong with twitter disallowing "person trackers". Legality aside, whether it's Elon Musk or Nancy Pelosi, the subtext of these trackers is creepy and threatening and banning them…

It has not shifted. In this case both law and moral agree on the same thing.

Elon Musk does not and should not get similar privacy protection as Joe Doe. (under the law or sane moderation policy by any corporation)

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