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Re: Tell HN: Doing a chargeback against Google will get your account banned

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Post by mhaberl »

maria2 wrote: post #210
patmcc wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's totally ridiculous. Imagine Walmart tried to do the same thing with physical goods; say any shoplifter Walmart catches immediately gets all their Walmart purchases taken back. We'd never allow it. Even if they were conflicted of theft, we wouldn't say "oh, sure, Walmart can come in and take your desk". Why have we allowed it with digital goods?

I don’t think that many people would complain if shoplifters were forced to return legitimately purchased wares. After all, we fine people for shoplifting. Money is fungible. So the effect is similar.

> we fine people for shoplifting

Walmart fines people for shoplifting? Of course not. That is a job of a government.

Companies should not be a judge, jury and executioner.

Re: Tell HN: Doing a chargeback against Google will get your account banned

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Post by jamiek88 »

narrator wrote: post #69
thefurdrake wrote: post #13

A more-measured approach would be to just disable your ability to purchase/engage with purchased services/products. Of course, Google is actively motivated to make forcing them to face consequences for mishandling product disputes punishable by complete ostracization from their "ecosystem". On the one hand, this feels like a Surprised Pikachu moment: Of course a chargeback, the final legal method through which you ha…

I wonder if the Google+ social network failed because people were paranoid that they could lose their whole digital life for making ban-worthy posts on Google+.

Nah, it was just lame.

Forced corporate ‘fun’ never works.

Re: Tell HN: Doing a chargeback against Google will get your account banned

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Post by ferminaut »

afandian wrote: post #136
ferminaut wrote: post #85

I placed an order for a Pixel Watch on Black Friday as a gift. Spent $380 or so on the watch+band. Site said it would be delivered on Nov 29-Dec 2nd (and status was updated to 'Pending Shipment'). Well, Dec 5th rolled around, still wasnt shipped. Since the status was 'pending shipment' you cannot cancel the order. I contacted google asking them to cancel my order. Two weeks later, it's still not shipped, CS rep is ba…

Fastmail is great for email. There's a million domain registrars. The best time to leave google is today!

Thanks for the recommendation. I managed to get fastmail up and running on my domain in like 10 minutes. It's now importing 781000 emails :)

Re: Tell HN: Doing a chargeback against Google will get your account banned

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Post by FredPret »

glitchc wrote: post #72
logicalmonster wrote: post #56

To me, the issue with Google's products and services is that they're not willing to provide any human customer service to resolve the real issues. Now, of course, I understand that even Google can't reasonably be expected to provide free 24/7 customer support for the entire Internet. If they had a normal phone number available where anybody could reach a human at any time, every confused person would call them with i…

> Now, of course, I understand that even Google can't reasonably be expected to provide free 24/7 customer support for the entire Internet. If they had a normal phone number available where anybody could reach a human at any time, every confused person would call them with issues that are completely unrelated to Google's actual products and even Google would be overwhelmed. No it is entirely reasonable. Even with a d…

Advertisers are not getting any customer service from Google, at all. I've had accounts locked for no reason, ads cut off, etc.

Their ad platform is so confusing, I had to take a Udemy course just to make head or tails of it.

This is besides the fact that their ads are nowhere near as effective as on other platforms.

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Post by ferminaut »

snielson wrote: post #133
ferminaut wrote: post #85

I placed an order for a Pixel Watch on Black Friday as a gift. Spent $380 or so on the watch+band. Site said it would be delivered on Nov 29-Dec 2nd (and status was updated to 'Pending Shipment'). Well, Dec 5th rolled around, still wasnt shipped. Since the status was 'pending shipment' you cannot cancel the order. I contacted google asking them to cancel my order. Two weeks later, it's still not shipped, CS rep is ba…

Transfer your domains to cloudflare.

Working on this now. Seems my domains are still `locked` (Registry status: Client transfer prohibited), hopefully in the next few hours I can transfer them...but I see some complaints about transferring out of google domains.

Re: Tell HN: Doing a chargeback against Google will get your account banned

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Post by ferminaut »

theturtletalks wrote: post #103
ferminaut wrote: post #85

I placed an order for a Pixel Watch on Black Friday as a gift. Spent $380 or so on the watch+band. Site said it would be delivered on Nov 29-Dec 2nd (and status was updated to 'Pending Shipment'). Well, Dec 5th rolled around, still wasnt shipped. Since the status was 'pending shipment' you cannot cancel the order. I contacted google asking them to cancel my order. Two weeks later, it's still not shipped, CS rep is ba…

Call your card and tell them to cancel the chargeback.

This served as a wake up call more than anything to break my reliance on google. I wont be cancelling the chargeback.

Re: Tell HN: Doing a chargeback against Google will get your account banned

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Post by jakelazaroff »

teux wrote: post #187
BoiledCabbage wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So time to play the same old game: does block chain provide any value here that a separate centralized DB doesn't? Let's see, can't you solve the exact same problem by simply having a centralized organization have a database of digital content ownership? Essentially a title record DB? Seems like it. And how does your blockchain solution solve the problem of someone is hacking the game and needs to be banned? Can the…

Disclaimer: this is not my domain. But wouldn’t the blockchain give a decentralised record of ownership that was protected from corruption? If a single entity owns this database, how does it fare against attacks/bad actors, or highly capitalists companies like EA going in and editing it in their best interests. You need a truly good organisation to host that single DB and I’m not sure I tryst any of them at the momen…

This isn’t really a technology problem.

Let’s say such a blockchain did exist. You buy Battlefield or some other game, years pass and EA bans your account. You want to download the game again. How are you going to do that? Sure, the blockchain is public, but EA can just maintain their own list of people to ban.

Okay, so maybe we pass a law that says that if you have a record on that blockchain companies must let you access your digital goods. You take EA to court for banning you despite having purchased the game. What’s the advantage over a database run by the government? The court trusts the government database, since they are the government, and you and EA have no choice but to listen to the court — they’re the ultimate trusted third party.

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Post by jamiek88 »

krisoft wrote: post #120
lnsru wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was told by experienced web developer to do exactly this: every time I need something for Google I must create new address and new identity. If something goes wrong only project related identity gets destroyed and I can access other accounts.

Until some automated system catches you with your many accounts and bans all of them?

I’ve got around 30 different gmail accounts for various non nefarious projects, i wonder if they think that’s bad?

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Post by rsync »

mschulkind wrote: post #35
moviuro wrote: post #3

Before this happens to you too: rclone[0] can be used to sync (or pull) data from Google's services to a local machine. It's pretty slow, but it "just works"^TM [0] https://rclone.org , https://rclone.org/drive/ , https://rclone.org/googlephotos/

Google takeout is a much much better option.

Correct.

I want very much for the rclone/Gmail integration to work well but it’s very complicated and fussy.

You are better off doing a takeout and downloading in your browser.

Re: Tell HN: Doing a chargeback against Google will get your account banned

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Post by sp0rk »

moviuro wrote: post #3

Before this happens to you too: rclone[0] can be used to sync (or pull) data from Google's services to a local machine. It's pretty slow, but it "just works"^TM [0] https://rclone.org , https://rclone.org/drive/ , https://rclone.org/googlephotos/

The limitations page for the Google Photos backend [1] is something to behold. I can't imagine very many people would view this as a viable alternative to Takeout with the current limitations. This bolded one seems like it would be a dealbreaker for most people with photos:

> The current google API does not allow photos to be downloaded at original resolution. This is very important if you are, for example, relying on "Google Photos" as a backup of your photos. You will not be able to use rclone to redownload original images. You could use 'google takeout' to recover the original photos as a last resort

[1] https://rclone.org/googlephotos/#limitations

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