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Tell HN: Doing a chargeback against Google will get your account banned

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Re: Tell HN: Doing a chargeback against Google will get your account banned

#111

I work in payments. This is pretty normal AFAIK. Doing a chargeback is a good way to be "fired" as a customer and not allowed to use that companies services anymore.

Sure, we get this. That's not the issue.

The issue is Google told them to issue a chargeback to get his money back. That was Google's representative saying this.

Re: Tell HN: Doing a chargeback against Google will get your account banned

#112

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Yeah there is no excuse for Google not to make an exception to the policy when Google told the poster to do the chargeback.

I think the chargeback here was a personal "go f yourself" move from the supervisor to a "troublesome" client, not Google.

If the customer was told to do a chargeback by a Google employee (or outsourced contractor) then it was _Google_ who told the customer to do the chargeback.

Re: Tell HN: Doing a chargeback against Google will get your account banned

#113
So many posts here about how this is expected and normal behaviour by a company to react to a chargeback in this way.

But it’s different when it’s a company that provides your email, your browser, your phone, your entertainment, your car interface, your telecom, your operating systems, your office productivity suite, your online storage solution, and your method of communicating with your friends and family.

I’m not going to blame the victim, but encourage future victims to stop using Google products whenever possible.

Re: Tell HN: Doing a chargeback against Google will get your account banned

#114

To me, the issue with Google's products and services is that they're not willing to provide any human customer service to resolve the real issues. Now, of course, I understand that even Google can't reasonably be expected to provide free 24/7 customer support for the entire Internet. If they had a normal phone number available where anybody could reach a human at any time, every confused person would call them with i…

I think you might be conflating "free users" of their search engine product and a customer who paid a thousand USD to purchase their mobile hardware. I can see the reasoning for refusing to provide human-based CS for their search engine users, but to give their Pixel users the typical run around and then capping it with disabling their account? I would expect this kind of behavior from the various shell companies selling gadgets on Amazon. Google is really eating their way through the goodwill they took decades to build up.

Re: Tell HN: Doing a chargeback against Google will get your account banned

#115
The only monetary relationship I have with Google is a paid youtube sub.

I actively avoid getting involved in any business relationship with Google because of the mountain of evidence that it’s a bad idea. No Google suite. No Google cloud. No hardware.

Google is an advertising company. They make their money from advertising and the rest of the revenue is a pittance to them, so they have no incentive to provide any support or empathy.

Avoid doing non-advertising business with Google at all costs.

Re: Tell HN: Doing a chargeback against Google will get your account banned

#116

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Yeah there is no excuse for Google not to make an exception to the policy when Google told the poster to do the chargeback.

This is the inevitable result of automation. There is no negotiating with a piece of code.

It’s not inevitable. Of course it can be overridden.

Re: Tell HN: Doing a chargeback against Google will get your account banned

#117
post #74

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> Now, of course, I understand that even Google can't reasonably be expected to provide free 24/7 customer support for the entire Internet. If they had a normal phone number available where anybody could reach a human at any time, every confused person would call them with issues that are completely unrelated to Google's actual products and even Google would be overwhelmed. That would be the fair consequence of wanti…

I said that because of my life experience. I run some small businesses in some quasi-technical fields. We've gotten phone calls asking for help with fixing peoples' Yahoo mail accounts, asking for returns to stores that were completely different than ours, trying to get refunds on products we don't even sell, and many other nonsensical and time-wasting calls from confused people. If we, at our extremely small scale,…

That is the price of dealing with the public, tbf.

People are how they are and will always find the path of least resistance to get their problems solved.

That doesn't exclude them or anyone from providing support to the services they offer, and that people pay for (one way or the other)

Re: Tell HN: Doing a chargeback against Google will get your account banned

#118

To me, the issue with Google's products and services is that they're not willing to provide any human customer service to resolve the real issues. Now, of course, I understand that even Google can't reasonably be expected to provide free 24/7 customer support for the entire Internet. If they had a normal phone number available where anybody could reach a human at any time, every confused person would call them with i…

> o me, the issue with Google's products and services is that they're not willing to provide any human customer service to resolve the real issues. I don't get this, I engage human Google support for paid Google products at least a few times a month. It's not great, but definitely on par with other tech giants. Are you expecting human support for ... free services ?

"Free services" aren't provided by Google out of the goodness of their heart. This isn't altruism. We're not choosy beggars to want support for being the very products that make Google the most money.

Re: Tell HN: Doing a chargeback against Google will get your account banned

#119
post #89

That's an interesting coincidence. I have been pondering whether to do a chargeback on a food order that Deliveroo failed to deliver. The support refused to refund until I told them I would do a chargeback. I was wondering what the consequences of doing the chargeback would be, but if even the threat of performing one changes their stance on a refund I guess it can't be that bad.

Complaining on twitter seems to make get them to refund.

Re: Tell HN: Doing a chargeback against Google will get your account banned

#120
post #39

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Isn't this a great way to motivate users to respond by setting up throw-away accounts, with disposable forwarding emails and Privacy.com-generated credit card numbers? True, this is a multi-step process, but it also seems like something which could be automated.

I was told by experienced web developer to do exactly this: every time I need something for Google I must create new address and new identity. If something goes wrong only project related identity gets destroyed and I can access other accounts.

Until some automated system catches you with your many accounts and bans all of them?
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