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Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by bitcharmer »

memish wrote: post #917
Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #895

It's interesting that many are debating the value of this 'rule', when this action is blatant abuse of his powers to silence his critics. He has now a lengthy and growing history of this type of behavior, so it was 100% foreseeable. He could just come out and say that its his twitter and he can do what he wants, but no, because he also wants to be seen as a 'defender of free speech'. He acts like a-hole, but then exp…

Welcome to the new Twitter, just like the old Twitter. At least now everyone understands the value of a neutral free speech town square and can see that "it's a company, they can do what they want" was always a disingenuous argument. It was never principled, it was always predicated on bias alignment. It's the same with those who are happy about these journalists being banned. Blatant bias and hypocrisy on both sides…

I have no idea why you're getting down voted.

Previously you could tweet "kill all white men" and nothing would happen. Not so much with the same statement targeting a different group.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by eric_cc »

JeremyNT wrote: post #920
eric_cc wrote: post #904

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's interesting that many are debating the value of this 'rule', when this action is blatant abuse of his powers to silence his critics. I think it’s you that’s missing the point here. It’s only abuse of power if the rule against doxxing is invalid. So it does come down to the rule and whether or not doxxing is acceptable. If we decide that doxxing is acceptable and posting anybody’s real-time location data is acc…

> If we decide that doxxing is acceptable and posting anybody’s real-time location data is acceptable (without their consent), then he is abusing powers. If that is your conclusion, then you don’t have the right to complain should it happen to you. This really does not follow. We already have plenty of exceptions for what is appropriate when reporting on public versus private figures in other aspects of life. As Musk…

> Are you sure Elon will continue to agree with you on who/what to censor in the future?

I am 100% sure that I WON’T agree and that Twitter is inherently flawed pre-Elon and post-Elon.

The only point I was making is that within the context of this flawed system, given a rule is broken, it should not matter who the rule breaker is. “Silence opponents” narrative is only true if the people being silenced are being treated unequally. If they are, then the narrative is true.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

#943

Post by zaccusl »

bitcharmer wrote: post #941
memish wrote: post #917

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Welcome to the new Twitter, just like the old Twitter. At least now everyone understands the value of a neutral free speech town square and can see that "it's a company, they can do what they want" was always a disingenuous argument. It was never principled, it was always predicated on bias alignment. It's the same with those who are happy about these journalists being banned. Blatant bias and hypocrisy on both sides…

I have no idea why you're getting down voted. Previously you could tweet "kill all white men" and nothing would happen. Not so much with the same statement targeting a different group.

Source or examples?

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

#944

Post by eric_cc »

Fnoord wrote: post #926
eric_cc wrote: post #904

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's interesting that many are debating the value of this 'rule', when this action is blatant abuse of his powers to silence his critics. I think it’s you that’s missing the point here. It’s only abuse of power if the rule against doxxing is invalid. So it does come down to the rule and whether or not doxxing is acceptable. If we decide that doxxing is acceptable and posting anybody’s real-time location data is acc…

Nobody is posting his whereabouts; someone wrote a bot which grabs public API data which was pulled from ADS-B (which you can receive with a 20 EUR DVB-T receiver) which includes his private jet. His private jet may or may not contain him, and his whereabouts after he left his plane are not included. F.e. if he used a public transport, nobody would post his whereabouts automatically on Twitter.

I understand regarding the jet account. Here are the sources I was using for my comment:

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603587970832793600

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603181423787380737

Here he is claiming that his pinpoint location was shared and that the rule in place is against sharing real-time location data.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by [deleted] »

blitzar wrote: post #769
memish wrote: post #724

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was the case until a stalker got close to his toddler. That clearly shook him and changed his mind. Now the account will come back with a delay. He also changed his mind on free speech absolutism. He came around to the "freedom of speech is not freedom of reach" argument.

So shaken that he (and his security team) forgot to file a police report.

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Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by azernik »

leereeves wrote: post #937
richbell wrote: post #897

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon Musk is the kid on the playground shouting "time-out" and inventing a new rule every time he's about to get tagged.

I've known Musk was crazy ever since he baselessly called Vern Unsworth (the diver who rescued the children trapped in a cave in Thailand) a "pedophile". But there was a reason he invented this new rule, and I think it's unwise and unfair to dismiss a stalker attack as "being tagged on the playground".

This purported stalking happened to a car, miles away from any airport, on a day when his plane hadn't flown and therefore its location hadn't been updated.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by azernik »

giantrobot wrote: post #637
anigbrowl wrote: post #412

Echoing David Sacks, he's now tweeting that the journalists in question were tweeting 'assassination coordinates.' https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603587970832793600 Starting to think there might be some national security issues with one guy being the nominal linchpin of the US space program, satellite internet, and global public messaging infrastructure.

If Musk dropped off the face of the Earth tomorrow it wouldn't meaningfully affect operations at SpaceX. If anything it would probably increase productivity there.

That is, to put it mildly, not the worst case scenario people are worried about.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by Pfhortune »

plaguepilled wrote: post #851

Its frustrating because my immediate response to people like Musk in my day to day life is to ignore them at all costs. This is a largely successful strategy in person. My strategy collapses however when the belligerent is able to buy a whole platform and then become a perpetual victim on that platform. Worse, mastodon has fallen short for me as an escape hatch. The activity just isn't there.

> Worse, mastodon has fallen short for me as an escape hatch. The activity just isn't there.

What kind/level of activity are you looking for?

Just curious, not trying to make a criticism of you or anything, to be clear.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

#949

Post by pms »

At this point it looks like Musk is somewhat paranoid about his life, which reminds me of dictators being paranoid about their life. That's not very surprising given that Musk is far from being honest to consumers. For instance, Tesla was found to be deactivating the autopilot mode at the second before a crash [1], to make their system look safer than it is in reality.

[1] PDF https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/2022/INOA-EA22002-3184.PDF

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

#950

Post by BugsJustFindMe »

memish wrote: post #917
Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #895

It's interesting that many are debating the value of this 'rule', when this action is blatant abuse of his powers to silence his critics. He has now a lengthy and growing history of this type of behavior, so it was 100% foreseeable. He could just come out and say that its his twitter and he can do what he wants, but no, because he also wants to be seen as a 'defender of free speech'. He acts like a-hole, but then exp…

Welcome to the new Twitter, just like the old Twitter. At least now everyone understands the value of a neutral free speech town square and can see that "it's a company, they can do what they want" was always a disingenuous argument. It was never principled, it was always predicated on bias alignment. It's the same with those who are happy about these journalists being banned. Blatant bias and hypocrisy on both sides…

> At least now everyone understands the value of a neutral free speech town square

Nope. People still very much don't want that.

> and can see that "it's a company, they can do what they want" was always a disingenuous argument.

There's no conflict between saying that and also saying that chanting 'free speech' over and over while banning people for what they say about you just makes you a liar.

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