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Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

40four wrote: post #882
jacquesm wrote: post #631

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I don't think that's relevant past the point where Musk is on the record as saying that because he's such a champion of free speech he's not going to ban the account.

So? Everyone keeps saying this over and over, but leaving out the most important part. In the same tweet he admitted it’s a direct threat to his personal safety! Can you comment on that part? Because it seems like people want, with Elon and other celebrities, to be put in harms way, in the name of keeping these doxxing accounts online. Which by the way are made by some college kid who probably doesn’t realize the ram…

Right now it seems like he's willing to defend he and his friend's personal safety (his friend's safety as an after thought mind you), but he doesn't much care about the safety of people he's upset with.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by i_like_apis »

throw0101c wrote: post #808
mach1ne wrote: post #787

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Why has even HN comment field lowered to nothing but blind hate? Say what you want but the man has reformed rocket technology and jumpstarted the world's shift to electrical vehicles, both against all odds. Hate-takes like this are silly.

> Say what you want but the man has reformed rocket technology and jumpstarted the world's shift to electrical vehicles, both against all odds. And now he is helping to spread racism and anti-semititsm: * https://thehill.com/policy/technology/3709609-racist-antisem... It's possible to think he has done good things in the past, but is doing bad things in the present. And to believe/worry that his present (and future)…

There are so many false headlines about him. It’s all just outrageous.

And a lot of people believe whatever NYT or The Hill says, when they are obviously out to get him.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by zxcvbn4038 »

mtrycz2 wrote: post #648
zxcvbn4038 wrote: post #570

Remember that Elon is powered by attention so you have to be critical of everything he says. Who knows if there was actually a stalker? Was Elon really targeted or was it just random? Could have been some homeless guy trying to clean the windows. The elonjet thing has been an annoyance to Elon for a long time, now that he owns the company he can force the guy onto another platform - and fuel the attention engine in t…

> Elon is powered by attention Is it renewable?

Considering how much newspaper and magazine space is consumed by Elon related materials, I think his carbon footprint is actually pretty awful. Giving Elon attention often costs billions of dollars so the price per watt is very high.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by troyvit »

randomsearch wrote: post #686
jacquesm wrote: post #631

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I don't think that's relevant past the point where Musk is on the record as saying that because he's such a champion of free speech he's not going to ban the account.

No, I think it’s relevant because the banned account was not just “sharing public information”, but actively tracking Musk using a combination of online data and real word surveillance. The fact that Musk previously said he wouldn’t ban the account, then changed his mind (apparently after a personal incident) just shows Musk changed his mind, is all. It certainly demonstrates he didn’t think through his previous deci…

How is this different than what Twitter does through its advertising partners though?

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by jacquesm »

imperfect_blue wrote: post #767
jfoster wrote: post #734

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Not just that, but the owner of the account offered to take it down for a price. Feels like extortion.

Wait, where did he say this? To me it doesn't just feel like extortion, it straight up is extortion.

Not really, the party never solicited payment. Musk opened up the negotiations and was then pissed off when the other side didn't accept his first offer.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by robomartin »

billiam wrote: post #248
robomartin wrote: post #207

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> to delay news of certain travel That does not sound unreasonable to me at all. In other words, the idea that some posts might warrant a delay for a range of issues or to allow for investigation. That, to me, again, sounds very sensible. In the case of the travel plans of certain high-profile people, you know, with so many crazy folks out there, yes, sure, give the news enough of a delay so the person can safely get…

This is complete idiocy. Celebrities and billionaires don't get special speech rights. There are very good reasons all aircraft are tracked publicly. If Elmo's plane ever goes down or gets hijacked he might appreciate why. According to Twitter's new "policy" any person who takes a picture of someone in front of the Eiffel tower or any recognizable place can be accused of doxxing and banned.

> This is complete idiocy.

I think calling someone an idiot is against HN policy...but, what do I know, I am obviously an idiot.

That said. OK, well, let's publish everyone's travel plans. Name, flight, seat, from/to, etc. Make the system 100% open to for anyone to see who is travelling, where and when.

You know, so folks profiting from breaking into homes while people are travelling can be more efficient in their scheduling.

In our neighborhood we've had a few cases of homes being burglarized when people travelled out of town and posted about it on Facebook. Lots of people are not aware that they might be posting to the entire universe. Those wonderful pictures of your vacation in Hawaii let smart crooks know you are not home in Los Angeles.

I am 100% certain everyone would be against their personal, family and business travel itineraries being posted in a publicly accessible website or database in real time. Understandably so. Why, then, is it to that this is OK for those who might be obvious targets of violence and other potentially negative outcomes?

One argument I saw in this thread is about not creating special rules for a small group of people. Fine with that. Let's publish everyone's travel plans then. Or, on the other hand, have the common sense to understand that personal safety is important to everyone and move to make posting such information illegal and protect everyone, no matter their station in life.

I get it that on HN there exist a subgroup of people who are millionaire/billionaire haters. Good for you! Enjoy the hatred. That group aside, once common sense enters the room, it is generally clear that privacy is good for everyone, regardless of who they might be.

As much as I dislike politicians, this should also extend to them. Yes, of course, their travel details should be released and made available for all to review. However, this can be done well after the fact.

Safety first. For everyone.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by te_234350 »

40four wrote: post #882
jacquesm wrote: post #631

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that's relevant past the point where Musk is on the record as saying that because he's such a champion of free speech he's not going to ban the account.

So? Everyone keeps saying this over and over, but leaving out the most important part. In the same tweet he admitted it’s a direct threat to his personal safety! Can you comment on that part? Because it seems like people want, with Elon and other celebrities, to be put in harms way, in the name of keeping these doxxing accounts online. Which by the way are made by some college kid who probably doesn’t realize the ram…

Meh. Musk has no problem handing information to journalists like Matt Taibbi that included personal email addresses, all the better for Taibbi to accidentally publish.

Musk had no problem insinuating that Yoel Roth was a pedophile (as is Musk's style), reportedly forcing Roth into hiding.

Does Musk recognize the ramifications of what he was doing in either case? No. At any rate, it's pretty clear that the "threats to personal safety" is a mask, he clearly is fine with doxxing and threatening other people's public safety... as long as he is the aggressor, not the victim.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by jacquesm »

inglor_cz wrote: post #836
stevefan1999 wrote: post #799

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Agreed. The workers provided value for him. He decided to take it all

Was there ever a successful collective of the kind that the Left dreams about? If not, doesn't it indicate that CEOs are pretty important in the business scheme of things?

Yes. Mondragon.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by robomartin »

giaour wrote: post #340
robomartin wrote: post #207

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> to delay news of certain travel That does not sound unreasonable to me at all. In other words, the idea that some posts might warrant a delay for a range of issues or to allow for investigation. That, to me, again, sounds very sensible. In the case of the travel plans of certain high-profile people, you know, with so many crazy folks out there, yes, sure, give the news enough of a delay so the person can safely get…

Aircraft location data cannot be "delayed" for some very obvious public safety reasons. The FAA requires that every aircraft loudly announce itself at all times unless they're on the ground.

I can understand that this information must be real time for aircraft flight control purposes.

Not sure what the laws, requirements or practices say about the entire universe knowing where any aircraft might be in real time. I mean, if a bad guy wanted to aim a SAM at any given aircraft and this data is live and real-time...

Again, I don't know how this works in terms of the law. Opinions don't matter. What's the law?

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by paulcole »

jupp0r wrote: post #404
paulcole wrote: post #363

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You are the problem. I am the problem (someone who’s never driven a car in his life and doesn’t fly in airplanes). Elon Musk, Bill Gates, and everyone else is the problem. The sad reality is that it doesn’t much matter. The damage we’ve done is baked in and hundreds of millions of people in the next few generations are going to have it pretty rough. Can’t unring the bell of a century+ of society not giving a shit abo…

I fear I must tell you you didn't make a difference and it's still up to policymakers (and people who elect them) to enact necessary changes to reduce carbon emissions.

Yes, this is the point I was making in my comment. Unless “policymakers” (aka people) are willing to enact some very unpopular policies then everything is just window dressing and rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
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