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Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by mcv »

Eji1700 wrote: post #419
TehCorwiz wrote: post #350

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The flight information that twitter account was using is publically available and required by law to BE public. https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7zygg/twitter-bans-elon-mus... "Sweeney has been using sites such as ADS-B Exchange to track the movements of private jets blogging to celebrities, tech billionaires, and Russian oligarchs for years now. By law, the movement of these plans is publicly available information.…

Thank you. I’m sick of seeing so many people defend this nonsense by portraying it as a safety issue. This issue is public. It’s required to be public. Someone pointing out public info is not a safety issue

Technically, maybe, but it also sounds a lot like a form of doxing. Where people live is not some highly classified secret, but collecting that data about people on a large scale, or posting it online, is not okay. In the same way, posting the whereabouts of someone's personal private plane[0] is not so different from posting their whereabouts when they're using a different form of transportation, and could be considered stalking.

[0] It sucks that personal private planes are even a thing, but that's a different issue.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by influxmoment »

jacquesm wrote: post #631
mlindner wrote: post #492

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This confuses the issue though. ICAO numbers change if your aircraft is enrolled in the PIA program, which Elon is. Sweeny was bypassing this by using people on the ground to circumvent this by watching the jet's movement and if an aircraft was going to takeoff that had an unknown ICAO number he'd have someone at the airport to figure out it was Elon's jet that had changed it's ICAO number. Your link will only be val…

I don't think that's relevant past the point where Musk is on the record as saying that because he's such a champion of free speech he's not going to ban the account.

Guess free speech is dead then. Elon killed it. Rewrite the US Constitution

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by the_gipsy »

hakanderyal wrote: post #96

Elon posted some info[0] that gives it some context: "Last night, car carrying lil X in LA was followed by crazy stalker (thinking it was me), who later blocked car from moving & climbed onto hood. Legal action is being taken against Sweeney & organizations who supported harm to my family." Make that what you will. [0]: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944

He tried to buy out Sweeney's account for $5k, got counteroffered $50k but rejected.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by Herbstluft »

hakanderyal wrote: post #96

Elon posted some info[0] that gives it some context: "Last night, car carrying lil X in LA was followed by crazy stalker (thinking it was me), who later blocked car from moving & climbed onto hood. Legal action is being taken against Sweeney & organizations who supported harm to my family." Make that what you will. [0]: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944

How is that relevant except that it demonstrates even further hypocrisy from Musk? Which is not surprising.

Also Musk isn't really trustworthy so unless this is confirmed by am independent third party there is no reason to believe the guy that moves tens of thousands of dollars to harass rescue personnel.

Even if Musk is not lying there still isn't a connection.

Edit: apparently the last data published from the elonjet account is from December 12th. Making this even more ridiculous. Not sure what I expected.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by Eisenstein »

extropy wrote: post #649
ssnistfajen wrote: post #625

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then why isn't OpenSky (where elonjet gets data from) and sites like Flightradar24 being sued by Elon then? They publish/provide the exact same info. The only bad faith argument here is claiming publishing publicly available information is somehow endangerment.

Let me argue from the other end. The incident happened, which is obv not good. What where the causes? How can we prevent this from happening again? What do other high profile perons do to prevent this from happening?

> What where the causes?

Elon loves to shove himself front and center into the public eye and to stoke a fanbase. Large groups of people inevitably contain some crazy ones. Obsessive para-social relations often lead to unhinged fans stalking or harassing the targets of their obsession. This is so common it has a term coined by Eminem: "Stan".

> How can we prevent this from happening again?

Celebrities are often stalked not just by fans but by reporters. Princess Di was arguably put in a situation by photographers which led to a car crash and her death. It appears the solutions are either:

(1) Don't be famous, or be the type of famous person that has a low profile (there are a lot of them)

(2) If you are a billionaire then you can afford a security detail -- get one

(3) Support real mental health efforts and legislation which funds support for people with mental health issues, instead of sticking them in prison or making them live on the street

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by randomsearch »

jacquesm wrote: post #631
mlindner wrote: post #492

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This confuses the issue though. ICAO numbers change if your aircraft is enrolled in the PIA program, which Elon is. Sweeny was bypassing this by using people on the ground to circumvent this by watching the jet's movement and if an aircraft was going to takeoff that had an unknown ICAO number he'd have someone at the airport to figure out it was Elon's jet that had changed it's ICAO number. Your link will only be val…

I don't think that's relevant past the point where Musk is on the record as saying that because he's such a champion of free speech he's not going to ban the account.

No, I think it’s relevant because the banned account was not just “sharing public information”, but actively tracking Musk using a combination of online data and real word surveillance.

The fact that Musk previously said he wouldn’t ban the account, then changed his mind (apparently after a personal incident) just shows Musk changed his mind, is all.

It certainly demonstrates he didn’t think through his previous decision, suggesting it was a spontaneous comment and not a rigorous policy. Which is worrying, because publishers such as Twitter need to have a consistent and coherent moderation policy.

But it’s still relevant if we’re to decide which position we agree with, and whether Musk was “right” previously or now.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by wasmitnetzen »

Meekro wrote: post #540
asdajksah2123 wrote: post #321

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Blocking speech that may be harmful to a handful of millionaires and billionares = Common Sense. Not promoting speech that may be harmful to tens of thousands of already marginalized people = Woke Mind Virus

"Don't publish someone's location in realtime (24 hour delay is required)" seems like a simple rule that can be enforced even-handedly against both sides. On the other hand, "don't do speech that causes harm" is so vague that it guarantees endless battles. If the New York Times writes an article criticizing someone, and then a crazy person shoots that someone, is the NYT now required to stop writing articles criticiz…

> Don't publish someone's location in realtime (24 hour delay is required)

So I'm not allowed to post a group picture of my Meetup anymore? Yeah, that sounds like the kind of social media which makes money.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by philderbeast »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #609
TehCorwiz wrote: post #350

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The flight information that twitter account was using is publically available and required by law to BE public. https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7zygg/twitter-bans-elon-mus... "Sweeney has been using sites such as ADS-B Exchange to track the movements of private jets blogging to celebrities, tech billionaires, and Russian oligarchs for years now. By law, the movement of these plans is publicly available information.…

The available flight information does not identify anyone. I can go on one of those websites, see all those flights, but I have no idea who they belong to or who's on board. That changes once someone specifically links a private jet to someone. Within the EU I'd be interested in the ramifications with regards to the GDPR.

none whatsoever.

the linking is done simply by looking up who the plane is registered to, and that is also public information.

you can of course always go the other way, look who owns a plane, and the go to flight information from there.

there is nothing private about any of the information used in the process.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by Eisenstein »

neuronexmachina wrote: post #472
hakanderyal wrote: post #96

Elon posted some info[0] that gives it some context: "Last night, car carrying lil X in LA was followed by crazy stalker (thinking it was me), who later blocked car from moving & climbed onto hood. Legal action is being taken against Sweeney & organizations who supported harm to my family." Make that what you will. [0]: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944

Sweeney's personal account has also been suspended: https://twitter.com/jxcksweeney Some additional info: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/12/14/elonjet... > On Wednesday evening, the account was briefly restored, with Twitter outlining new rules seemingly designed to prevent Sweeney from posting the real-time locations of planes used by Musk and other public figures as long as he included a slight dela…

> Musk’s son, X Æ A-12

I heard that he gave his child a strange name, but... that is just something else.

On topic: I don't see how a flight location could be shown to cause that event. If I told you that I was arriving somewhere at LAX at around 0900 could you find me?

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by osrec »

cma wrote: post #572
zxcvbn4038 wrote: post #570

Remember that Elon is powered by attention so you have to be critical of everything he says. Who knows if there was actually a stalker? Was Elon really targeted or was it just random? Could have been some homeless guy trying to clean the windows. The elonjet thing has been an annoyance to Elon for a long time, now that he owns the company he can force the guy onto another platform - and fuel the attention engine in t…

It is also possible he needed a story to take attention off of his stock sales.

I was looking for the distraction piece this morning when I saw he was selling Tesla stock... This might be it.
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