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Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by fhd2 »

mach1ne wrote: post #787
gregoriol wrote: post #751

The thing he actually doesn't want everyone to realise is that he is a dumbass billionaire who goes on costly trips all the time. As soon as the world sees him as the kiddo who happens to have whims and does whatever he want with the mass of money he has (he bought twitter just for fun?), his aura will be over.

Why has even HN comment field lowered to nothing but blind hate? Say what you want but the man has reformed rocket technology and jumpstarted the world's shift to electrical vehicles, both against all odds. Hate-takes like this are silly.

Hate is not the opposite of worship - he can be great in some areas and a "dumbass billionaire" in others.

Looking at history, I can't imagine there's any useful technological advance (or adoption thereof) that depends on any individual - if EVs were meant to be successful I believe they would've been with or without Musk. Same goes for anything Space X does. Same goes for anything _anyone_ does. If you believe the world would be notably different without any one individual in it, that's what you chose to believe, I see no evidence from history for that.

Does he have valuable skills? I'm sure - if nothing else marketing and persistence. Was he involved in important stuff? Evidently. Did he get lucky? Absolutely. Does whatever perceived or actual good he did excuse the perceived or actual bad? Not in my opinion.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by twawaaay »

ceejayoz wrote: post #825
oblio wrote: post #814

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't care about costly trips. I mean, he has billions and works a lot. Spending a million here and million there is pretty frugal compared to some other people who need to prove their worth by upping each other on who has the largest yacht in the world. > What I do care about, though, is hypocrisy. Turns out, you should care about both. First of all, his private jet costs as much as a yacht, plus he doesn't own…

Renting yachts seems like a great mitigation to me. One yacht can service dozens of billionaires' 1-2 week vacations without sitting around in port useless 90% of the time.

You know what is the saying popular with skippers?

"If you buy your own boat you will only be happy twice in your life. On the day you buy it and then on the day you sell it."

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by asoneth »

AlchemistCamp wrote: post #652
jacquesm wrote: post #631

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I don't think that's relevant past the point where Musk is on the record as saying that because he's such a champion of free speech he's not going to ban the account.

A masked stalker, dressed all in black, was following his young child in car thinking it was him. He then blocked the car and jumped on the hood: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944 Imagine it were your child. Can you honestly say you wouldn’t change any opinions or practices when it came to personal security?

Of course an event like this would cause me to rethink my position. But I don't think I would wait until it actually happened to my child.

People have been raising these kinds of concerns to free speech absolutists like Musk for a while, but until it impacts him they are theoretical concerns that aren't as important as his principles.

If he uses this personal experience as an opportunity to empathize with others and reconsider how Twitter handles speech which is legal but poses a safety risk to an individual or group then that is commendable.

Or, if he maintained his commitment to free speech in the face of personal danger to his family I would respect such a principled stance.

However, if he only bans those who might cause him (or people he likes) harm while allowing and even encouraging those who use free speech to incite harm against others then that seems hypocritical.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by additall »

chinathrow wrote: post #702
additall wrote: post #700

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It's surprising how so many people have no idea how ADS-B out works. The data is public.

I'm not sure "free speech" equals "data is public", and I'm not sure that the flight tracking data at least for private jets should be made public at all.

Or at least I don't see a difference between private cars location being vs private jet location data being released.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by twawaaay »

oblio wrote: post #814
twawaaay wrote: post #777

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I don't care about costly trips. I mean, he has billions and works a lot. Spending a million here and million there is pretty frugal compared to some other people who need to prove their worth by upping each other on who has the largest yacht in the world. What I do care about, though, is hypocrisy.

> I don't care about costly trips. I mean, he has billions and works a lot. Spending a million here and million there is pretty frugal compared to some other people who need to prove their worth by upping each other on who has the largest yacht in the world. > What I do care about, though, is hypocrisy. Turns out, you should care about both. First of all, his private jet costs as much as a yacht, plus he doesn't own…

He has a jet because, honestly, he is traveling constantly for his work. Call it a tax on running multiple large operations. Given his long work days I can see how the jet pays for itself many times over.

And renting a yacht for $7k is actually super cheap. I know people who spend more on champagne in a club in a single evening, and no, they are not billionaires.

Even if this yacht was rented 365 days a year, which I do not believe, this would be $2.5M / year.

Even if this absolutely worst case (I don't believe for a second that Elon is partying on the yacht for large part of the year) you could still rent it for literally hundreds of years and still not match the cost of just buying your own large yacht. Forget about insurance, maintenance and staffing costs.

If you want to pass judgment on what is and what is not frugality when it comes to billionaires, you need to expand your views a bit and stop thinking like a poor person.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by mysterydip »

mlrtime wrote: post #813
mysterydip wrote: post #801

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Why does he need to be there in person?

Why not? He is CEO, he owns the jets. If he wants to take a 1 hour meeting in person in another state that is his call. If people have a problem with the carbon footprint they should be promoting all around higher energy use taxes. Not using a strawman against someone they hate.

Certainly it's his perogative and he's free to do what he wants. If I had as many businesses as he does, I would think a teleconference would be a more efficient use of my time, rather than the time spent physically traveling somewhere.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by oblio »

twawaaay wrote: post #875
oblio wrote: post #814

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't care about costly trips. I mean, he has billions and works a lot. Spending a million here and million there is pretty frugal compared to some other people who need to prove their worth by upping each other on who has the largest yacht in the world. > What I do care about, though, is hypocrisy. Turns out, you should care about both. First of all, his private jet costs as much as a yacht, plus he doesn't own…

He has a jet because, honestly, he is traveling constantly for his work. Call it a tax on running multiple large operations. Given his long work days I can see how the jet pays for itself many times over. And renting a yacht for $7k is actually super cheap. I know people who spend more on champagne in a club in a single evening, and no, they are not billionaires. Even if this yacht was rented 365 days a year, which I…

Dude, he also has a $70 million jet, which costs about as much as a yacht. Let's be honest here.

> If you want to pass judgment on what is and what is not frugality when it comes to billionaires, you need to expand your views a bit and stop thinking like a poor person.

Also :-)))

We're not talking poor here. We're talking "makes more money in 1 month than the richest lawyer you know" rich.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by hstan4 »

Eisenstein wrote: post #689
neuronexmachina wrote: post #472

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Sweeney's personal account has also been suspended: https://twitter.com/jxcksweeney Some additional info: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/12/14/elonjet... > On Wednesday evening, the account was briefly restored, with Twitter outlining new rules seemingly designed to prevent Sweeney from posting the real-time locations of planes used by Musk and other public figures as long as he included a slight dela…

> Musk’s son, X Æ A-12 I heard that he gave his child a strange name, but... that is just something else. On topic: I don't see how a flight location could be shown to cause that event. If I told you that I was arriving somewhere at LAX at around 0900 could you find me?

Are you flying in on your own private jet and are you among the richest most well-known people in the world?

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by TomK32 »

esskay wrote: post #727
plandis wrote: post #126

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Legal action being taken against the person who pulled public flight information and published already public information? The sad part is I’m sure Elon can bury this guy in fees even if the lawsuit is ultimately ruled as entirely without merit.

From the sounds of it its a bit more than just posting public flight data. He had people at airports tracking the plane as it was changing its flight code to prevent tracking. That goes beyond using public information and enters into stalking teritory, even if only in a fairy minor way. Not defending the ban, but the context is a bit more complex than posting something off of a public site onto twitter.

Is it legal to change flight codes? That's the number on the plane, right?
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