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Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account
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Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account
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Thank you. I’m sick of seeing so many people defend this nonsense by portraying it as a safety issue. This issue is public. It’s required to be public. Someone pointing out public info is not a safety issue
Technically, maybe, but it also sounds a lot like a form of doxing. Where people live is not some highly classified secret, but collecting that data about people on a large scale, or posting it online, is not okay. In the same way, posting the whereabouts of someone's personal private plane[0] is not so different from posting their whereabouts when they're using a different form of transportation, and could be consid…
> not so different from posting their whereabouts when they're using a different form of transportation
As someone pointed out over in Fedi-land, this would be broad enough to cover sports fixtures because you know where players are going to be (live location) and you know how they're likely going to get there (coach from local hotels if you're a UK footballer).
Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account
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I don't think that's relevant past the point where Musk is on the record as saying that because he's such a champion of free speech he's not going to ban the account.
A masked stalker, dressed all in black, was following his young child in car thinking it was him. He then blocked the car and jumped on the hood: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944 Imagine it were your child. Can you honestly say you wouldn’t change any opinions or practices when it came to personal security?
I heard some people walked in to a big building in DC after Trump tweeted which later got him banned. Imagine if it was your building! Or does free speech only apply to things Elon likes?
Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account
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Thank you. I’m sick of seeing so many people defend this nonsense by portraying it as a safety issue. This issue is public. It’s required to be public. Someone pointing out public info is not a safety issue
This is such a ridiculous take. It’s widely considered doxxing if you republish public information that makes it easy to find a person’s actual location. Without getting into the weeds on this specific issue, the idea that any public information being republished on social media can’t have safety consequences is absurd. If, for example, the information about where someone lives is buried on a buggy government website…
> It’s widely considered doxxing if you republish public information that makes it easy to find a person’s actual location.
I know where 14 Premiership managers (and could probably have a good guess at ~150 Premiership players) are going to be on Boxing Day, with exact locations for a specific time range. Is that doxxing them?
Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account
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Musk disagreed with you until today, he explicitly said that he would be leaving this exact account up because he believed in free speech even when it was about his location.
It is possible for people to learn and change their minds. I'm pretty sure that doxxing is not allowed on HN, Reddit, and other platforms, including the D language forums. I'm good with that.
You are clearly not paying attention since the account is still up in instagram and facebook:
https://www.instagram.com/elonmusksjet/?hl=en
Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account
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The available flight information does not identify anyone. I can go on one of those websites, see all those flights, but I have no idea who they belong to or who's on board. That changes once someone specifically links a private jet to someone. Within the EU I'd be interested in the ramifications with regards to the GDPR.
none whatsoever. the linking is done simply by looking up who the plane is registered to, and that is also public information. you can of course always go the other way, look who owns a plane, and the go to flight information from there. there is nothing private about any of the information used in the process.
> none whatsoever
I would ponder the GDPR's definition of personal data before making such definitive claim.
Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account
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I don't think that's relevant past the point where Musk is on the record as saying that because he's such a champion of free speech he's not going to ban the account.
No, I think it’s relevant because the banned account was not just “sharing public information”, but actively tracking Musk using a combination of online data and real word surveillance. The fact that Musk previously said he wouldn’t ban the account, then changed his mind (apparently after a personal incident) just shows Musk changed his mind, is all. It certainly demonstrates he didn’t think through his previous deci…
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Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account
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I don't think that's relevant past the point where Musk is on the record as saying that because he's such a champion of free speech he's not going to ban the account.
No, I think it’s relevant because the banned account was not just “sharing public information”, but actively tracking Musk using a combination of online data and real word surveillance. The fact that Musk previously said he wouldn’t ban the account, then changed his mind (apparently after a personal incident) just shows Musk changed his mind, is all. It certainly demonstrates he didn’t think through his previous deci…
There is nothing 'real world surveilance' about following this link:
https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af
That Musk 'changed his mind' on the one thing that he said would set Twitter apart from 'the rest' is where I have a problem: this is a matter of principle so dear that it should override his personal affairs because that is what he is on the record about. If Musk's principles only hold water as long as he isn't personally affected then I'm fine with that but then he should get off his high horse and stop pretending.
Twitter before Musk was not perfect, but it was perfectly usable (even if they got stuff wrong every now and then, and in those cases they usually - but not always - eventually corrected themselves). What is on display right now is capriciousness of an entirely different degree.
Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account
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"Free Speech Absolutism" is just another conservative boondoggle that they can endlessly talk about to attract voters. Of course actually trying to put it in practice immediately falls apart, but that's not the point. Nobody on the malicious side of the "malicious or stupid?" scale actually wants everyone to have unfettered freedom of speech (see: republican outrage at LGBTQ rights, people teaching/learning about sys…
>people teaching/learning about systemic racism ('CRT') This is less of a free speech issue, and more of a "what should government employees be paid to do" issue. It's the difference between a gutter punk wearing a swastika, and a cop on duty wearing a swastika. The constitution prohibits the government from making a law regarding the gutter punk. But while the cop is on duty, they're an employee of the state, and it…
Yeah, cops on duty wear the Punisher symbol and carry challenge coins to signify their membership of fascist organisations instead.
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