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Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by gorbachev »

pgodzin wrote: post #310

Many people have been trying to get the point across that legal, unlimited free speech can put people in harm's way. Elon is happy to say that he's willing to trade harm to those people for his free speech principles, but as soon as his family is the one facing the repercussions, he's happy to change policy and sue.

This is also rampant in US political discourse and action.

The minute someone gets shot on a congressional baseball outing, shit hits the fan. A few school children get shot every few months...thoughts and prayers.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by skissane »

mlindner wrote: post #492
TehCorwiz wrote: post #350

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The flight information that twitter account was using is publically available and required by law to BE public. https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7zygg/twitter-bans-elon-mus... "Sweeney has been using sites such as ADS-B Exchange to track the movements of private jets blogging to celebrities, tech billionaires, and Russian oligarchs for years now. By law, the movement of these plans is publicly available information.…

This confuses the issue though. ICAO numbers change if your aircraft is enrolled in the PIA program, which Elon is. Sweeny was bypassing this by using people on the ground to circumvent this by watching the jet's movement and if an aircraft was going to takeoff that had an unknown ICAO number he'd have someone at the airport to figure out it was Elon's jet that had changed it's ICAO number. Your link will only be val…

> ICAO numbers change if your aircraft is enrolled in the PIA program, which Elon is. Sweeny was bypassing this by using people on the ground to circumvent this by watching the jet's movement

Maybe he should just buy another jet or two, make sure the other jet(s) are in regular use (maybe shuttling SpaceX/Tesla/Twitter/etc employees around), and make sure he regularly swaps which one he is personally using. Extremely expensive solution, but not beyond his budget.

Or maybe he should just buy himself a private jet chartering firm. An even more expensive solution, but he can probably afford that too.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by maest »

hakanderyal wrote: post #96

Elon posted some info[0] that gives it some context: "Last night, car carrying lil X in LA was followed by crazy stalker (thinking it was me), who later blocked car from moving & climbed onto hood. Legal action is being taken against Sweeney & organizations who supported harm to my family." Make that what you will. [0]: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944

I initially thought his car was carrying a rapper called Lil X, but I think it's actually talking about his child?

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by locallost »

Elon has lost the plot. He will end up disliked or hated by all sides -- he's alienated the left by embracing right wing narratives, and he will alienate the right by being wishy washy on things like free speech. They might rationalize him as the lesser evil, but deep down they will turn on him, and it will eventually surface.

And it's obvious to everybody that the actual complaint was never about the lack of free speech, but who got to control the speech. And by proxy, the issue with things like cancel culture is not that it exists, but that people that used to get canceled are now canceling the other side.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by HeavyStorm »

locallost wrote: post #725

Elon has lost the plot. He will end up disliked or hated by all sides -- he's alienated the left by embracing right wing narratives, and he will alienate the right by being wishy washy on things like free speech. They might rationalize him as the lesser evil, but deep down they will turn on him, and it will eventually surface. And it's obvious to everybody that the actual complaint was never about the lack of free sp…

Surely you're talking about a politician, not a tech mogul?

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by esskay »

plandis wrote: post #126
hakanderyal wrote: post #96

Elon posted some info[0] that gives it some context: "Last night, car carrying lil X in LA was followed by crazy stalker (thinking it was me), who later blocked car from moving & climbed onto hood. Legal action is being taken against Sweeney & organizations who supported harm to my family." Make that what you will. [0]: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944

Legal action being taken against the person who pulled public flight information and published already public information? The sad part is I’m sure Elon can bury this guy in fees even if the lawsuit is ultimately ruled as entirely without merit.

From the sounds of it its a bit more than just posting public flight data. He had people at airports tracking the plane as it was changing its flight code to prevent tracking. That goes beyond using public information and enters into stalking teritory, even if only in a fairy minor way.

Not defending the ban, but the context is a bit more complex than posting something off of a public site onto twitter.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by __void »

imgabe wrote: post #719
c54 wrote: post #260

Worth remembering this is public information: https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af Looks like they took down other accounts in violation of the new policy: https://twitter.com/airforcetrack https://twitter.com/gatesjets https://twitter.com/CelebJets

If you own a home, your address may also be publicly available via county records. Does that make it ok to post someone’s home address?

...is perhaps the hundred and fiftieth time I have read this (or a similar variant) nonsense of false analogy, already debunked explained and reexplained in hundreds of variants

I am beginning to think that the people who parrot it are not even interested in its response (already said and reiterated hundreds of times in the last 12 hours)

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by puszczyk »

randomsearch wrote: post #686
jacquesm wrote: post #631

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that's relevant past the point where Musk is on the record as saying that because he's such a champion of free speech he's not going to ban the account.

No, I think it’s relevant because the banned account was not just “sharing public information”, but actively tracking Musk using a combination of online data and real word surveillance. The fact that Musk previously said he wouldn’t ban the account, then changed his mind (apparently after a personal incident) just shows Musk changed his mind, is all. It certainly demonstrates he didn’t think through his previous deci…

I wonder if he’d change his mind if this was someone else’s incident.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by PestoDiRucola »

jacquesm wrote: post #169
seo-speedwagon wrote: post #117

He should just make a rule that you can’t post about his plane. People would appreciate the honesty

But it would destroy the hero and champion image... and that's what he can't have.

Not to his cult followers who are pretty much what's left of his fans. They would never betray their narcissistic cult leader.
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