Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account • Hacker News Board

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by WalterBright » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 5:29 AM UTC

pgodzin wrote: post #437

theteapot wrote: post #430

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doxxing is not free speech. The sensible majority of people understand that. It's only a vocal small minority of idiots and troublemakers that argue otherwise.

Musk disagreed with you until today, he explicitly said that he would be leaving this exact account up because he believed in free speech even when it was about his location.

It is possible for people to learn and change their minds.

I'm pretty sure that doxxing is not allowed on HN, Reddit, and other platforms, including the D language forums. I'm good with that.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by benreesman » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 5:29 AM UTC

I don’t have strong opinions on Elon Musk: I’ve heard such contradictory accounts from people with first-hand knowledge that I don’t know what to believe.

Certainly what he’s doing with Twitter looks weird at best to another veteran of the social media business, but I can’t even claim to have put rockets into orbit, so what do I know.

He was known for publicity stunts and deliberately contrarian statements for at least a decade now.

But I think it’s a barometer for the degree to which 1-bit red team / blue team stuff has dominated the public head space that he went from peerless hero to menace to society right around the time he started talking some Trumpy shit.

I’m roughly left of Lenin, so I personally have about zero patience with MAGA shit. But as concerning as MAGA shit is, I find the echo chamber even more worrisome.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by failuser » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 5:29 AM UTC

They also prevent posting links to elonmusksjet instagram. So free so speech.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by smsm42 » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 5:30 AM UTC

somewhat_drunk wrote: post #475

memish wrote: post #388

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My attacks on you are consequence culture. Your attacks on me are stochastic terrorism. Me suppressing my personal information is protecting my physical safety. You suppressing your personal information is an unacceptable breach of free expression. Me revealing your personal information is transparency in the public interest. You revealing my personal information is doxxing and puts my life in danger. @pmarca

Being canceled =/= being terrorized irl. Why does this even need to be said?

Often that's exactly what it is. People coming to your (or your relatives) homes, people physically attacking others at workplaces and restaurants. People setting up fires and behaving violently to not allow somebody they disagree with speak to those who want to listen to them. We have seen many examples. Let's not pretend it doesn't happen.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by mlindner » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 5:30 AM UTC

villgax wrote: post #108

hakanderyal wrote: post #96

Elon posted some info[0] that gives it some context: "Last night, car carrying lil X in LA was followed by crazy stalker (thinking it was me), who later blocked car from moving & climbed onto hood. Legal action is being taken against Sweeney & organizations who supported harm to my family." Make that what you will. [0]: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944

Lol how does it make sense to connect the public data plane tracker with someone following a car

The link is weak but because you can track the plane you can wait at the private airport terminal and wait for the guy to walk out the door. There's very few people that go in and out of those terminals so it's easy to just wait for the person in question. Once they're out you can then follow and tail their car.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by theonething » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 5:30 AM UTC

charles_f wrote: post #65

https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af I don't see the point of blocking it on Twitter when it's readily available on any flight tracking platform.

Having it show up automatically on your twitter feed is different from have to know bout and intentionally use a tracking platform to look for a specific person's plane.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by pgodzin » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 5:31 AM UTC

WalterBright wrote: post #501

pgodzin wrote: post #437

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Musk disagreed with you until today, he explicitly said that he would be leaving this exact account up because he believed in free speech even when it was about his location.

It is possible for people to learn and change their minds. I'm pretty sure that doxxing is not allowed on HN, Reddit, and other platforms, including the D language forums. I'm good with that.

The problem is that he is only learning when it negatively affects him. Plenty of people have already learned many of these lessons, he just has no interest in listening to them.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by mlindner » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 5:31 AM UTC

nickv wrote: post #465

As a reminder, as Elon talks about personal safety, this is the man who posted personal information about a former employee of his on twitter that ended with him having to “move his entire family because of the death threats that showed up” https://www.entrepreneur.com/business-news/ex-twitter-employ...

Your link does not say what you says it says. Nowhere in that post does it say that Elon posted personal information about a former employee on twitter.

Elon responded to a few old tweets by Yoel that some people had retweeted.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by DenisM » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 5:33 AM UTC

dang wrote: post #48

323 wrote: post #18

Meanwhile all the Elon Musk jet stories are disappearing fast from the front page. The main one with over 1k comments and points survived only 6 hours.

I explained that here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33992824 . In principle we would turn off the user flags and software penalties, but the thread quality is so wretched that I see no upside. I'm shocked, and I don't shock easily after 10 years of this.

I’m similarly shocked. I don’t think I’ve ever seen such low lever of discourse here, and we have had some controversial topics.

Almost makes me wish you penalized every single account that commented here. It would not be just, but it might stave off the flame out.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by mlindner » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 5:33 AM UTC

ClassicOrgin wrote: post #263

What I really like about ElonJet and Sweeney's other accounts is they included emission estimates. Really blew a hole in the idea that you could ever consider Musk or Gates to be environmentalists. A recent Musk flight between Washington and Miami emitted 9 tons of CO2 [1], which is nearly double what a fuel inefficient car would emit each year. How can you tell me I'm the problem with my single truck and couple of c…

Those flights emit a couple of tons of CO2. Tesla has saved millions of tons of CO2 from being emitted. It's nicely illustrative of how little a jet flight is compared to all the car traffic emitting CO2 that's been eliminated.