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Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by boomboomsubban »

hakanderyal wrote: post #96

Elon posted some info[0] that gives it some context: "Last night, car carrying lil X in LA was followed by crazy stalker (thinking it was me), who later blocked car from moving & climbed onto hood. Legal action is being taken against Sweeney & organizations who supported harm to my family." Make that what you will. [0]: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944

Musk has now included a tweet seemingly trying to dox the stalker, including their license plate. How can he immediately turn from "people shouldn't post publicly available information that can be abusable" to posting someone's abusable public information?

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by hajile »

antod wrote: post #409
hajile wrote: post #372

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The 15 largest shipping container ships produce as much sulfur pollution as all non-commercial cars on the entire planet put together. There's thousands of those ships. Of all vehicle pollution, something like 95+% of it is large commercial vehicles. Your switching from a truck to a car makes effectively ZERO difference in global emissions. If EVERY non-commercial vehicle in the US went down to ZERO pollution, it wou…

My first web search seems to disagree on those numbers: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1185535/transport-carbon... But if everyone just cherry picks a worse example than themselves to justify not doing anything until they are the worst, then no progress will ever happen.

You are making the mistake of thinking that CO2 is the biggest or worst polluter and that only greenhouse pollution matters. Look up sulfur pollution. It is basically non-existent in gasoline, but rampant in other fossil fuels and is far more impactful.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by richbell »

benmmurphy wrote: post #330

whether this policy is good or not this is going to hurt Elon because he went back on his word. however, isn't this kind of doxxing why kiwifarms got banned from the internet?

There is nothing wrong with posting publicly available flight data.

Incidentally, Kiwi Farms did not get banned from the Internet.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by dariusj18 »

bagels wrote: post #191
dfghjkl2589 wrote: post #140

legal asked us to ban it again after they learned elon's goal. which was to shadownban-2.0 the account when needed to delay news of certain travel. he came up with the idea when we pointed out other smaller accounts started to post the info and we were considering flagging them as bot last week.

Assuming this is true, and elonjet can post to multiple places... might make a good way to detect which travels are notable.

Sigint not his specialty

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by ops »

fundad wrote: post #405
postmeta wrote: post #122

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maybe they followed the car from the airport?

One single car leaves the entire airport? Stalker must have paid someone for the plate number.

Depends on which airport you're talking about. Difficult for LAX, but very, very easy for SMO (and since we're talking about a private jet, it was probably SMO and not LAX).

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Post by asiangirl2445 »

kentm wrote: post #407
donatj wrote: post #384

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I think it comes down to tangible harm vs intangible theoretical harm. Anyone can claim intangible harm from anything. Doxing someone is a real tangible harm with very likely dangerous outcomes. Having an opinion is not.

If you consider doxing as a real tangible harm then what about vulnerable groups coming under harm due to being singled out? LibsOfTikTok made claims about Boston Children’s Hospital that caused tangible harm and yet they were unbanned. You might say that LibsOfTikTok didn’t cause the harm, that the responsibility was on the people perpetrating the bomb threats, but the same logic applies to ElonJet and this “stalker…

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Post by fsckboy »

memish wrote: post #388
asdajksah2123 wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blocking speech that may be harmful to a handful of millionaires and billionares = Common Sense. Not promoting speech that may be harmful to tens of thousands of already marginalized people = Woke Mind Virus

My attacks on you are consequence culture. Your attacks on me are stochastic terrorism. Me suppressing my personal information is protecting my physical safety. You suppressing your personal information is an unacceptable breach of free expression. Me revealing your personal information is transparency in the public interest. You revealing my personal information is doxxing and puts my life in danger. @pmarca

some people's personal information, if broadcast, puts them in danger like Salman Rushdie, while with most people nobody cares about them. what's your snappy hypocrisy koan for that? Salman Rushdie's exercise of free speech but not revealing where he was made him some kind of huge hypocrite?

some people's personal information is in the public interest, like Al Gore's electric bill or how often he and John Kerry fly to climate conferences, and POTUS's also, yet the secret service keeps his travel plans obscure to protect him.

many attacks may be consequent, and many are not; much of life is stochastic.

so I don't get your point. I think Musk is sincerely trying to make twitter more free speechy than the previous administration, and I think he's sincerely grappling with issues at the margins. I don't think this silly twitter bot's POV is no longer being heard.

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Post by Eji1700 »

TehCorwiz wrote: post #350
hakanderyal wrote: post #96

Elon posted some info[0] that gives it some context: "Last night, car carrying lil X in LA was followed by crazy stalker (thinking it was me), who later blocked car from moving & climbed onto hood. Legal action is being taken against Sweeney & organizations who supported harm to my family." Make that what you will. [0]: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944

The flight information that twitter account was using is publically available and required by law to BE public. https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7zygg/twitter-bans-elon-mus... "Sweeney has been using sites such as ADS-B Exchange to track the movements of private jets blogging to celebrities, tech billionaires, and Russian oligarchs for years now. By law, the movement of these plans is publicly available information.…

Thank you. I’m sick of seeing so many people defend this nonsense by portraying it as a safety issue. This issue is public. It’s required to be public. Someone pointing out public info is not a safety issue

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by molticrystal »

hakanderyal wrote: post #96

Elon posted some info[0] that gives it some context: "Last night, car carrying lil X in LA was followed by crazy stalker (thinking it was me), who later blocked car from moving & climbed onto hood. Legal action is being taken against Sweeney & organizations who supported harm to my family." Make that what you will. [0]: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944

I'm worried about the side effects if Elon gets his way. Could this cause people to face legal problems if they share tracking info on federal or military flights such as those who spy on people? Could it stretch out to satellites, just how expansive would the ruling be if Elon won, and how hard and expensive would it be to narrow it back if possible?
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