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Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by AceJohnny2 »

JamisonM wrote: post #308

Two things jump to mind on this: 1. This is like the classic sorta thing where someone thinks a given freedom/right/restriction is ok until they feel threatened by it and suddenly it needs to be reconsidered.. it is ok in the abstract and then when the concrete harms possible become obvious your opinion changes (like being related to a victim of a mass shooting or being friends with someone gay that is being denied t…

"Hey Elon Let Me Help You Speed Run The Content Moderation Learning Curve" (November 2nd)

https://www.techdirt.com/2022/11/02/hey-elon-let-me-help-you...

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by poopbutt7 »

hajile wrote: post #372
antod wrote: post #347

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How can you tell me I'm the problem with my single truck and couple of commercial flights each year when you've got multiple Teslas and hundreds of private flights each year? Because there are hundreds of thousands (millions?) of other truck owners also using the same justification to keep their truck? This isn't sticking up for hypocritical wasteful billionaires, just pointing there are not very many of them in th…

The 15 largest shipping container ships produce as much sulfur pollution as all non-commercial cars on the entire planet put together. There's thousands of those ships. Of all vehicle pollution, something like 95+% of it is large commercial vehicles. Your switching from a truck to a car makes effectively ZERO difference in global emissions. If EVERY non-commercial vehicle in the US went down to ZERO pollution, it wou…

Sulfur dioxide has a cooling effect. So keep doing that, I guess.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by cat_plus_plus »

asdajksah2123 wrote: post #321
pgodzin wrote: post #310

Many people have been trying to get the point across that legal, unlimited free speech can put people in harm's way. Elon is happy to say that he's willing to trade harm to those people for his free speech principles, but as soon as his family is the one facing the repercussions, he's happy to change policy and sue.

Blocking speech that may be harmful to a handful of millionaires and billionares = Common Sense. Not promoting speech that may be harmful to tens of thousands of already marginalized people = Woke Mind Virus

That's motte and bailey on "harmful". Nobody is banning people for saying Musk is a moron, nobody is advocating for "There is a walking on so and so street right now" tweets. Criticizing people vs revealing their precise current location to everyone on Internet are very different things.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by jupp0r »

paulcole wrote: post #363
ClassicOrgin wrote: post #263

What I really like about ElonJet and Sweeney's other accounts is they included emission estimates. Really blew a hole in the idea that you could ever consider Musk or Gates to be environmentalists. A recent Musk flight between Washington and Miami emitted 9 tons of CO2 [1], which is nearly double what a fuel inefficient car would emit each year. How can you tell me I'm the problem with my single truck and couple of c…

You are the problem. I am the problem (someone who’s never driven a car in his life and doesn’t fly in airplanes). Elon Musk, Bill Gates, and everyone else is the problem. The sad reality is that it doesn’t much matter. The damage we’ve done is baked in and hundreds of millions of people in the next few generations are going to have it pretty rough. Can’t unring the bell of a century+ of society not giving a shit abo…

I fear I must tell you you didn't make a difference and it's still up to policymakers (and people who elect them) to enact necessary changes to reduce carbon emissions.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by fundad »

postmeta wrote: post #122
stefan_ wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes except for the part where it's a car not a plane and some random LA road not an airport. Except for these things it's a perfect match, grateful for this context. Although this "Elon Musk realizes he is not alone on planet" arc is quite interesting.

maybe they followed the car from the airport?

One single car leaves the entire airport? Stalker must have paid someone for the plate number.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by ihateolives »

nikolay wrote: post #349

Twitter 2.0 suspended a bunch of my legitimate accounts without any explanation. Also, my personal account, opened in February 2007, is also in some kind of read-only mode - I cannot change my name. Actually, I don't want to change my name, just to remove some emoji suffix. The error I'm getting is "Account update failed: Denied." Twitter 1.0 sucked, but 2.0 sucks even more!

Emojis in names are like digital face tattoos. Why?

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by kentm »

donatj wrote: post #384
asdajksah2123 wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blocking speech that may be harmful to a handful of millionaires and billionares = Common Sense. Not promoting speech that may be harmful to tens of thousands of already marginalized people = Woke Mind Virus

I think it comes down to tangible harm vs intangible theoretical harm. Anyone can claim intangible harm from anything. Doxing someone is a real tangible harm with very likely dangerous outcomes. Having an opinion is not.

If you consider doxing as a real tangible harm then what about vulnerable groups coming under harm due to being singled out? LibsOfTikTok made claims about Boston Children’s Hospital that caused tangible harm and yet they were unbanned. You might say that LibsOfTikTok didn’t cause the harm, that the responsibility was on the people perpetrating the bomb threats, but the same logic applies to ElonJet and this “stalker” incident.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by [deleted] »

schiffern wrote: post #291
mplewis wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing that makes me think twice about that argument is that Elon has just spent an enormous sum of money on a social media website that doesn’t seem to further the goals of materially improving the world.

It's not all-or-nothing. Musk can still deliver a net environmental benefit without every activity being directed solely toward that goal.

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Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by antod »

hajile wrote: post #372
antod wrote: post #347

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How can you tell me I'm the problem with my single truck and couple of commercial flights each year when you've got multiple Teslas and hundreds of private flights each year? Because there are hundreds of thousands (millions?) of other truck owners also using the same justification to keep their truck? This isn't sticking up for hypocritical wasteful billionaires, just pointing there are not very many of them in th…

The 15 largest shipping container ships produce as much sulfur pollution as all non-commercial cars on the entire planet put together. There's thousands of those ships. Of all vehicle pollution, something like 95+% of it is large commercial vehicles. Your switching from a truck to a car makes effectively ZERO difference in global emissions. If EVERY non-commercial vehicle in the US went down to ZERO pollution, it wou…

My first web search seems to disagree on those numbers: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1185535/transport-carbon...

But if everyone just cherry picks a worse example than themselves to justify not doing anything until they are the worst, then no progress will ever happen.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by dullcrisp »

Georgelemental wrote: post #389
asdajksah2123 wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blocking speech that may be harmful to a handful of millionaires and billionares = Common Sense. Not promoting speech that may be harmful to tens of thousands of already marginalized people = Woke Mind Virus

> speech that may be harmful to tens of thousands of already marginalized people What this means in practice is "speech that powerful, privileged, unaccountable people, who think they are worthy of controlling the thoughts of everyone else, deem to be 'harmful', based on their vague feelings and biases."

Exactly. If you be less racist, you’re just giving the globalist elites what they want.
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