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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by NaturalPhallacy »

datagram wrote: post #946
NaturalPhallacy wrote: post #814

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It wasn't fairly lopsided, it was extremely lopsided. Glenn Greenwald: "This thread proves 3 things: 1) Twitter execs were regularly meeting with FBI over what to censor. 2) Twitter's censorship was almost 100% aligned with the Dem Party. 3) Twitter's chief censors were deranged ideologues abusing their power over our discourse to silence dissent." https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1601591994165256192 If Greenwal…

Every time I read one of these threads I wonder if I'm somehow seeing different screenshots that what the author is talking about, because they're always full of some of the most uncharitable interpretations possible. The tweet linked reads like a biased summary of a biased summary. I don't know people expect moderation to work, but it's inherently messy and imperfect because humans are messy and imperfect, and past…

>the most uncharitable interpretations possible

The bias and hand wringing about censoring people whom they even admitted hadn't actually broken any rules disclosed in by Taibbi and Weiss deserved no charity. It was worse than people had imagined.

And you're just going to ignore this part?

>2) Twitter's censorship was almost 100% aligned with the Dem Party.

That's not "moderation". That's "partisan censorship".

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by leobg »

memish wrote: post #833

Which is most likely? A) Elon banned the account, reneging on his previous statement, "My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk" B) It was erroneously banned by someone else or an automated bot net process without Elon's knowledge and will be overturned when he's made aware of it C) It was banned for another reason we do…

Oh you brought critical thinking to the topic. That’s generally welcome on HN. But those stories about Musk have an inevitable headline: “Another angle from which to justify your resentment of Elon Musk, including the opportunity to prove that you are a better than him, of not in achievement then in moral standards”.

That’s why your comment, which demonstrates knowledge of the circumstances and asks the obvious questions, ranks 1/3 of the page down.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by to11mtm »

hajile wrote: post #923
mike_d wrote: post #896

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you are using the public airspace, airwaves, or waterways there is an obligation to identify yourself to others.

When you use public roads, why shouldn't I be able to track everywhere you go and tell the world exactly where you are?

Because it's not an airspace where speed/visibility are important for a variety of reasons... FBOW moreso post 9-11

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by coldtea »

m_fayer wrote: post #409
CommieBobDole wrote: post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Musk's behavior (and the behavior of a lot of public figures, really) makes more sense if you assume that he's not saying things to express ideas, but instead regards words as noises that you make with your mouth that cause other people to do or think things; if they stop having the intended effect, you have to change the noises. It's not hypocrisy, it's the natural outgrowth of seeing other people as a colle…

This is not far from how spectrum-y people see others unless they're motivated to overcome their deficiencies. I don't think that's a coincidence.

Yes, like how blacks steal and women belong in the kitchen...

/s

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by coldtea »

IntelMiner wrote: post #521
coldtea wrote: post #340

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Are you asking for context and nuance? What are you, a free thinker? Why not just joint he "Elon man bad" chorus?

That's a Reddit level comment if I've ever see one I'm reminded of a quote from a journalist "Elon Musk fans were bullied in high school, and the bullies were right"

Yeah, god forbid somebody asks for more nuance. What is this, Reddit? We're mature here, we do quality comments like "Elon Musk has the emotional stability of a teenager hitting puberty", "Do not fall into the trap of anthropomorphizing Elon Musk", and so on (actual comments on this thread).

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by hayst4ck »

swagasaurus-rex wrote: post #824
Hamuko wrote: post #393

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I imagine an assassination would've been cheaper.

Jail time would be very expensive for somebody who owns several companies

While we're all being glib, I don't know how you can look at America right now and think that law applies to billionaires. I would be astounded if we saw real proportional consequences against any of America's aristocracy. As long as you aren't killing or hurting other billionaires, I think they have practical blanket immunity.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by mylidlpony »

three_seagrass wrote: post #726
electrondood wrote: post #470

I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech. Basically, his entire tenure so far has been "free speech for me and the accounts that were rightfully banned for violating the TOS!" in public, and then "we'll deboost anyone who doesn't pay me a subscription" and "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem…

What's even more fascinating is how hot-button an issue Free Speech has become. Just look at some of the inflammatory replies to your comment that just mentions it. There's more going on with the semantics of the phrase being used to irrationally rile people up to outrage, rather than actually being about the definition of free speech.

It's not because of free speech, if you look at every top comment in this thread you will find plenty less than agreeable ones, more than usual for hn in fact. I would argue the same thing happens on every thread related to Musk, Trump and Ye. Perhaps it is a coincidence, or even just inherent consequence of the demographic they target. I believe there might be an easier explanation though, especially if you consider how conservative politicians as of late have been getting a lot of loans and coaching in pr strategy. Some russian oligarchs even publicly made statements of similar nature. After all, what's a little shared botfarm between friends?

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by [deleted] »

pwinnski wrote: post #930
memish wrote: post #779

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You missed the followup where it was reversed 2 days later. "It appears @ElonJet is longer banned or hidden in anyway." https://twitter.com/JxckSweeney/status/1602354433807061070

Time is ordered so that things happen after other things. So first @ElonJet appeared to be shadow-banned or visibility-filtered. Then @JxckSweeney commented on that. Then it appeared that @ElonJet was back to normal. Then @JxckSweeney commented on that. *THIS* is what you linked to, from Dec 12, two days ago. Then today, two days later, @ElonJet was suspended. Then you posted your comment, apparently missing the pass…

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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by runarberg »

ssnistfajen wrote: post #935
hajile wrote: post #881

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Doxxing someone's location != "free speech" by most people's definitions.

The location is for the private aircraft owned by Elon Musk, not Elon Musk himself. He could stuff a dummy on the aircraft and have it flown across the country and the tracking account would not provide any information that is different. This is not doxxing because whether Elon Musk was aboard the aircraft was never implied.

He is also free to travel with other means, he can buy ticket in a commercial airplane, he can drive, take the bus, etc. Non of which are trackable with public data (unless he himself broadcasts the fight number of the commercial airplane he’s taking).
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