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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by stjohnswarts »

minimaxir wrote: post #272
perihelions wrote: post #109

He's also posted internal Twitter screenshots, allegedly showing a VP was personally involved in @ElonJet moderation. (In the context of an earlier moderation action -- visibility filtering ("VF")). - "A screenshot of what he claimed was an internal Slack channel showed Ella Irwin, the person appointed to replace Yoel Roth as Twitter’s new head of trust and safety, asking a “Team” to “please apply heavy VF to @elonje…

It's worth noting that Twitter dissolved the Trust and Safety Council after that tweet was posted: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/twitter-disbands-trus... It's unclear if Ella Irwin still works at Twitter, but giving everything going on I strongly suspect there's no one to moderate against Elon personally banning an account he does not like.

I suspect that Musk has a very easily accessible interface to delete any twitter user that he wants within seconds and that is what happened here.

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Post by stouset »

beaned wrote: post #110

A lot of very weird vote brigading happening in this thread.

It's not weird at all.

Posts pushing baseless and debunked conspiracy theories[1] are getting downvoted into oblivion. Posts with highly questionable takes[2, 3] are also seeing the same. Even perspectives that tend to agree with the general HN consensus but are overly antagonistic[4] are receiving this treatment.

The system is working as intended.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33986398

[2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33985551

[3]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33985732

[4]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33985784

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by datagram »

hajile wrote: post #881
electrondood wrote: post #470

I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech. Basically, his entire tenure so far has been "free speech for me and the accounts that were rightfully banned for violating the TOS!" in public, and then "we'll deboost anyone who doesn't pay me a subscription" and "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem…

Doxxing someone's location != "free speech" by most people's definitions.

Yeah, I don't think this account deserved to exist either. Really, it was just a bonehead move by Musk to call this account out specifically as one that he wouldn't ban.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by stjohnswarts »

fnordpiglet wrote: post #387
minimaxir wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worth noting that Twitter dissolved the Trust and Safety Council after that tweet was posted: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/twitter-disbands-trus... It's unclear if Ella Irwin still works at Twitter, but giving everything going on I strongly suspect there's no one to moderate against Elon personally banning an account he does not like.

I don’t mean to be a antagonistic but as the owner of twitter why would we expect he not have the right and ability to ban anyone he likes? When it was publicly held there was some accountability to the shareholders as part of the public. Now he can literally carry a sink around wherever he wants

No one said he doesn't have the right to do it. We're just pointing out that he said he was a "free speech absolutist", that he would allow "both sides", and he said in an actual tweet, "I won't ban @elonjet". He is a hypocrite on multiple front, and we're just pointing that out to his fans who have musk colored glasses evidently

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Post by docmars »

vehemenz wrote: post #674
_JoRo wrote: post #452

I'm kind of curious what people are most upset about here? 1. They just don't like Elon? 2. They are upset that despite Elon claiming to be a "free speech absolutist" that he is now suspending accounts posting public information? (hypocrisy) 3. They are free speech absolutists themselves and object to this censorship? 4. Something else? Personally, depending on how often Elon is using this plane - I could see this as…

I think it's more schadenfreude. Here's a guy who has all the money in the world, but when push comes to shove, he struggles to obtain things that are easy for most of us, like respect, credibility, and competence.

Fortunately for Elon, these values are acquired and held just fine among very large communities of people who are following along. His actions have been a breath of fresh air for a significant part of the world population.

It just happens that this population is condemned and humiliated by well funded corporate media conglomerates, left-leaning governments and political parties, and the majority of celebrities, many of who have bravely claimed they have been coerced into supporting this ugly mess under the threat of losing amazing career opportunities.

I imagine Musk would be in the same position if he wasn't so well off.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by diego_sandoval »

alangibson wrote: post #609

I'm really embarrassed to have once been a Musk fanman (strictly as a space nerd). I know I shouldn't be, but I'm shocked at how much of a mendacious cretin he turned out to be. He, SBF, and many more like them are just a bunch of Chauncy Gardeners. People convince themselves that they're geniuses until one day the realization dawns that they've been dunces all along.

You can be really smart, even genius, and still make mistakes, or become corrupted by power and wealth.

There isn't a dichotomy between genius and asshole.

I still think Elon's contributions to society are much greater than his flaws.

And his contributions don't come from being a "genius" (there are at least hundreds of thousands of geniuses on Earth) as much as from being extremely hardworking.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by altgoogler »

yakubin wrote: post #765

A bit of a tangent: where does the knowledge about which jet is Musk's (in this case N628TS) come from? Are ownership records of jets public information? Isn't that a privacy issue? Imagine if that was the case for cars. It's pretty much a given that governments can track both, but just a random person being able to do that is even worse IMO.

Almost all aircraft are equipped with ADS-B transponders, which transmit their tail number and location continuously. Anybody can buy a ADS-B receiver and see info for aircraft flying near them.

In good internet fashion, people figured out that they can coordinate large networks of receivers, which basically centralizes a nationwide database of all aircraft movement.

So, all this account did was tweet when Elon's jet moved from this central ADS-B database.

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Post by xupybd »

snotrockets wrote: post #751
xupybd wrote: post #724

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My hope was for a more transparent Twitter. I guess that's out the window too.

Unfounded hope of course: no one who has, or had, monetary interest in the success of Twitter would or would have gained from transparency. Twitter is a public company, and may be a digital public square, but it does not have the public good as a rewardable goal.

I had thought, and still suspect, that the Twitter purchase might be a vanity project for Musk. As such his motives are a little harder to reason about than pure profit.

While it might not have public good as a goal, I think that having Musk appear as a public hero of freedom might be a goal.

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Post by someNameIG »

Slighted wrote: post #818

Considering the fact that most people here don't consider doxing to be freedom of speech, I don't see what the problem is with this account being banned (Assuming of course that Musk himself actually banned it and it wasn't removed by another staff member or by algorithmic defenses). "Its open source data!" So are the (perfectly legal) doxes on Kiwifarms, yet that's one of the largest reasons its vilified. Additional…

Many people don't consider some forms of hate speech and indirect threats of violence free speech either.
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