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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by dragonwriter »

patrec wrote: post #713
marricks wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People are acting like Musk changed course for no reason I'm not sure that's the case. I think many people, myself included, assumed Musk's course was always "just do what's best for me." So he's really just holding to that. You should give people in your life the benefit of the doubt, but large corporations and billionaires usually found success by acting in their own interest so they will just keep on doing that.

> I think many people, myself included, assumed Musk's course was always "just do what's best for me." So he's really just holding to that. As far as I can tell Musk is currently self-destructing for no apparent reason -- how is that best for him? Some of the questionable stuff he's been doing for a while has obvious upsides for him. Lying about the capabilities of your products and market manipulation are both obvio…

> As far as I can tell Musk is currently self-destructing for no apparent reason -- how is that best for him?

No apparent reason? He bought one of the biggest influence platforms on the planet and roughly simultaneously began heavily pumping the narratives of the MAGA faction, making throwaway declarations of political neutrality.

There's a pretty apparent motivation—advance a particular faction’s political prospects and be visibly seen as a key agent of their success when they fully come to power, and be rewarded for that.

It may be a high risk gamble that could explode before it pays off (its first big chance would be the 2024 election, though it could yield some benefits sooner) but its not completely without apparent purpose.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by adrr »

starkd wrote: post #158
alarmingfox wrote: post #4

Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech. - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

Banning accounts such as this is not at all inconsistent with banning accounts with the stated intent to track or surveil an individual. Accounts such as this are dangerous and no one needs to know his travel plans. The need for privacy does not interfere with anyone's freedom of speech here.

Privacy ends when you leave your home. Airspace is public. You have no expectation of privacy in public.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by Eisenstein »

Slighted wrote: post #818

Considering the fact that most people here don't consider doxing to be freedom of speech, I don't see what the problem is with this account being banned (Assuming of course that Musk himself actually banned it and it wasn't removed by another staff member or by algorithmic defenses). "Its open source data!" So are the (perfectly legal) doxes on Kiwifarms, yet that's one of the largest reasons its vilified. Additional…

The issue isn't with censoring, the issue is censoring after crying about censorship.

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Post by djur »

zachur wrote: post #744
hengistbury wrote: post #727

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The account was re-broadcasting publicly available information. Anyone who wanted to harm Musk would easily be able to find this information themselves without the twitter account.

True, but the account significantly lowers the bar to finding that information, making it much more likely someone who wishes to do harm could act on it.

Seems to me that a lot of the people Elon has targeted with the so-called "Twitter Files" would say they were making the same type of situational harm-reducing judgment call.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by joshuamorton »

overgard wrote: post #753
joshuamorton wrote: post #650

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should look carefully at what Bari Weiss misquotes. Twitter's statement is about Libsoftiktok not doing something suspendable was limited to a short time period, not a blanket statement. But "they got suspended 6 times for legitimate reasons and then the continued to behave badly while staying just inside the written bounds of the rules" isn't really a story.

I've yet to hear a legitimate reason. As far as I can tell, they just angered liberals by reposting their own (ridiculous) content. I'm liberal and even I think that's funny!

Perhaps you should take in information from sources more diverse than Weiss and Taibbi.

Like the Wikipedia page does a good job of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libs_of_TikTok#:~:text=terro.... Summarizing the suspensions, which were for misgendering and harassing trans people, primarily. That's the majority of what LTT produces, banal anti-trans propaganda. If you think that's funny, well, that's on you.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by three_seagrass »

PathOfEclipse wrote: post #790
lxgr wrote: post #740

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon himself, on https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519036983137509376 : > By “free speech”, I simply mean that which matches the law. Was the account violating any law?

Your very own tweet disproves what you're saying: "I am against censorship that goes far beyond the law." Even back in April he was not saying he was only going to censor illegal speech. Anyways, since Elon acquired twitter he's made it a major talking point to say that twitter is still moderating by the same rules as before: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1588538640401018880 "Twitter has had a massive drop in r…

>On the other hand, blacklisting Dr. Jay Bhattacharya for saying things about Covid that turned out to be far more correct than what the CDC was saying at the same time is indeed going far beyond the law and also harming all of society: https://www.foxnews.com/media/twitter-files-confirm-stanford...

This is textbook whataboutism, using Fox News no less. It's irrelevant to the discussion about Musk's hypocrisy on free speech, which you also ignored in your previous comment:

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

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Post by mindslight »

three_seagrass wrote: post #726
electrondood wrote: post #470

I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech. Basically, his entire tenure so far has been "free speech for me and the accounts that were rightfully banned for violating the TOS!" in public, and then "we'll deboost anyone who doesn't pay me a subscription" and "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem…

What's even more fascinating is how hot-button an issue Free Speech has become. Just look at some of the inflammatory replies to your comment that just mentions it. There's more going on with the semantics of the phrase being used to irrationally rile people up to outrage, rather than actually being about the definition of free speech.

> how hot-button an issue Free Speech has become.

What has really happened is that a major political group has gone from having views basically supporting the mainstream power structure ("conservative") to having views at odds with the mainstream power structure ("reactionary", to use Moldbug's own label). They're shocked that their viewpoints are suddenly being censored by the mainstream media, and chalking it up to a conspiracy by the other political party rather than the mutually interested oligarchic behavior that's been there the whole time. For anyone who came up having their politics at odds with the mainstream power structure, the censorship dynamic of mass media (which now includes social mass media) isn't a shock.

(I suspect there's a similar pan-political shock for the generation that grew up with social media primacy, but before social media had been fully captured by the incumbent power structure)

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Post by JumpinJack_Cash »

CommieBobDole wrote: post #356
alarmingfox wrote: post #4

Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech. - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

I think Musk's behavior (and the behavior of a lot of public figures, really) makes more sense if you assume that he's not saying things to express ideas, but instead regards words as noises that you make with your mouth that cause other people to do or think things; if they stop having the intended effect, you have to change the noises. It's not hypocrisy, it's the natural outgrowth of seeing other people as a colle…

> It's not hypocrisy, it's the natural outgrowth of seeing other people as a collection of vague moving objects that either do things for you or cause problems for you.

If that is the state of the art then what is the defense that regular people have?

Treat Musk as a moving object as well? Because the Valley seems filled with people singing Musk praises in order to raise money and impress his fanboys who are loaded with money (and get access to some of that money), while they'll openly admit behind close doors that Musk is a fraud.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by [deleted] »

fnordpiglet wrote: post #387
minimaxir wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worth noting that Twitter dissolved the Trust and Safety Council after that tweet was posted: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/twitter-disbands-trus... It's unclear if Ella Irwin still works at Twitter, but giving everything going on I strongly suspect there's no one to moderate against Elon personally banning an account he does not like.

I don’t mean to be a antagonistic but as the owner of twitter why would we expect he not have the right and ability to ban anyone he likes? When it was publicly held there was some accountability to the shareholders as part of the public. Now he can literally carry a sink around wherever he wants

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