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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by padjo »

kcplate wrote: post #449
Zigurd wrote: post #18

Where else can N628TS be tracked? It looks like some of the most widely used flight trackers do not provide this data.

Honestly, why would anyone really care where his jet goes unless you are him, his crew, or ATC? The only reason folks would be obsessed with this is for nefarious reasons or just out of a blatant disrespect for the privacy of another person. Only negative reasons.

Personally I find it a useful tool when people start talking about how Elon Musk is single-handedly fixing climate change…

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by erlich »

simple10 wrote: post #632

I'm curious how they're internally spinning the justification. It doesn't seem to be a violation of Twitter's Automation Rules [1] but ostensibly could be a violation of their harassment rule [2]. It's a bit of a stretch. The litmus test will be if/when the internal comms get released as part of the Twitter Files. I won't hold my breath. [1] https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/twitter-autom... [2] https://…

It's a pretty clear-cut policy violation:

https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/personal-info...

> Our primary aim is to protect individuals from potential physical harm as a result of their information being shared, so we consider information such as physical location and phone numbers to be a higher risk than other types of information.

> Under this policy, you can’t share the following types of private information, without the permission of the person who it belongs to....home address or physical location information

So Elon essentially gave permission, and now he has revoked it.

The difficulty those on the other-side of this argument have is that they themselves are not arguing that this shouldn't be the policy, and that this "doxing" behavior is not wrong. In fact, no one is.

There is not a single person claiming free speech is being violated here. There is not any kind of movement or group that is campaigning for doxing of location information as a right.

Essentially, people are saying: you are not allowing the things that no one thinks should be allowed anyway.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by memish »

Which is most likely?

A) Elon banned the account, reneging on his previous statement, "My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk"

B) It was erroneously banned by someone else or an automated bot net process without Elon's knowledge and will be overturned when he's made aware of it

C) It was banned for another reason we don't know about yet

D) Other

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by JumpinJack_Cash »

javawizard wrote: post #417
CommieBobDole wrote: post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Musk's behavior (and the behavior of a lot of public figures, really) makes more sense if you assume that he's not saying things to express ideas, but instead regards words as noises that you make with your mouth that cause other people to do or think things; if they stop having the intended effect, you have to change the noises. It's not hypocrisy, it's the natural outgrowth of seeing other people as a colle…

I'm reminded of Bryan Cantrill's famous "Do not anthropomorphize Larry Ellison" diatribe: https://youtu.be/-zRN7XLCRhc?t=2305

> Do not anthropomorphize Larry Ellison

I'd go as far as saying "Do not anthropomorphize anybody whose name you know from media"

Do not treat them as people, treat them as ideas or maybe Sport Franchises.

Taylor Swift or Donald Trump or Elon Musk are like say the Cincinnati Reds.

If you are in a bar in Cincinnati and you want to drink without paying your best bet is singing the praise of the Reds, likewise if you are looking for trouble then attack and insult the Reds.

Same thing with Musk, if you are among entrepreneurs then be supportive of Musk , if you are among workers start attacking him vehemently.

Quoting the OP, Celebrities should become the words you spew in order to gain some small advantage while selling your products or when trying to influence people as per the book “How to win friends and influence people “

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by Nifty3929 »

nilstycho wrote: post #316
Nifty3929 wrote: post #261

Does anyone else see any daylight between criticizing someone and tracking their movements? I think there are two cases we should observe to be able to judge motives here: - What happens to Twitter accounts that are heavily critical of Musk, but do not track him or otherwise lead to real-world harassment/violence? - What happens to a Twitter account that is tracking someone else who isn't Musk? If Twitter is allowing…

As of right now, @bezosjets and @ZuccJet, operated by the same person as @ElonJet, are both active.

Then I agree that this is inconsistent and bad.

I'm generally far to the free-speech side always, but I don't think publicly tracking people should be allowed. (In a deliberate, ongoing way. I'm sure there's room for "Hey, I just saw Susan Smith at McDonald's" or such)

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by janalsncm »

memish wrote: post #833

Which is most likely? A) Elon banned the account, reneging on his previous statement, "My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk" B) It was erroneously banned by someone else or an automated bot net process without Elon's knowledge and will be overturned when he's made aware of it C) It was banned for another reason we do…

If the account was from a nobody then I would say B, but since Musk has already offered to pay to have the account closed I would say A.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by Lendal »

nroets wrote: post #375
stephc_int13 wrote: post #305

Has Elon ever heard of the Streisand effect?

The HN community should start our own version: We retrieve the latest ElonJet info and then tweet it. See how many of us Twitter suspends.

No need. He's already up on Mastodon. Check out the number of follows it already has -> https://mastodon.social/@elonjet

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by nitwit005 »

three_seagrass wrote: post #735
PathOfEclipse wrote: post #710

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech. Where's the hypocrisy? Musk said he wanted to broaden the speech allowed on the platform, not allow speech of all kinds. > "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem like a liberal conspiracy." Maybe try getting your info from a non-leftwing source. There…

> Where's the hypocrisy? https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456 > "My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk"

That tweet is now pure comedy with the account showing as banned right underneath.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by ModernMech »

patrec wrote: post #713
marricks wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People are acting like Musk changed course for no reason I'm not sure that's the case. I think many people, myself included, assumed Musk's course was always "just do what's best for me." So he's really just holding to that. You should give people in your life the benefit of the doubt, but large corporations and billionaires usually found success by acting in their own interest so they will just keep on doing that.

> I think many people, myself included, assumed Musk's course was always "just do what's best for me." So he's really just holding to that. As far as I can tell Musk is currently self-destructing for no apparent reason -- how is that best for him? Some of the questionable stuff he's been doing for a while has obvious upsides for him. Lying about the capabilities of your products and market manipulation are both obvio…

> As far as I can tell Musk is currently self-destructing for no apparent reason -- how is that best for him?

Musk is currently in a bubble where everyone around him is giving him unlimited "attaboys" for his behavior. He probably doesn't have a great read on how poorly things are going for him.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by threeseed »

spritefs wrote: post #705
threeseed wrote: post #679

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> because they completely disregarded preexisting company policy for dealing with political figures That was the company policy. Public figures were largely exempt from the rules except when their tweet was egregious. Not sure why you think this is some conspiracy when it was blatantly obvious.

> Public figures were largely exempt from the rules except when their tweet was egregious. So are you saying that the two tweets I posted above aren't egregious? > Not sure why you think this is some conspiracy when it was blatantly obvious. I can't find that allegation anywhere in my comment. What was there was the obvious inconsistency between not banning e.g. the Ayatollah for the above comment, but banning the fo…

> but banning the former president

Trump was banned for inciting an insurrection which is illegal.

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