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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by jonny_eh »

radicaldreamer wrote: post #750
dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #741

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to be human nature that people who like something or someone will defend them way past the point of rationality, becoming more insistent the worse things get, and wallow in motivated thinking. Meanwhile, those that dislike both Musk and Twitter are having a magical moment as each actively destroys the other, like two black holes circling each other, unable to escape.

A lot of this just boils down to people wanting to justify, defend, and tolerate anything he does because they want to believe that the nerdy entrepreneur will usher in their cyberpunk fantasies about going to Mars and interfacing directly with machines.

I assume at least some are justifying their expensive car.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by jandem »

zachur wrote: post #714

I actually think this is reasonable. The account was broadcasting his live location at any given point in time and there's a strong argument it presented a legitimate safety risk given so many people's hatred towards him. It's also hard to say he's banning free speech against himself when it feels like half of twitter is anti-Elon sentiment these days.

The point is that Musk has been talking a lot about being a free speech absolutist. He even said this last month:

> My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk

And now he's banning accounts. That doesn't make sense for a free speech absolutist.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by AndreLock »

40four wrote: post #612
encoderer wrote: post #584

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You’re “flabbergasted”? This is publicly available information. What exactly is the safety threat with this twitter acct?

Public information or not, that doesn't make it ethical. It would be different if it tracked other celebrities also. It's a personal attack. I don't know why I have to explain why it would be a safety threat, but sure. Someone who wanted to do harm to Elon having easy access to his whereabouts at all time? Put yourself in his shoes. Would that make you feel more or less safe? And these days, someone wanting to harm h…

The college student behind the account also tracks the private jets of other prominent individuals, including Bill Gates, Trump, Bezos, and a slew of Russian oligarchs. It should be noted that at the time I'm publishing this comment, other private jet tracking accounts (e.g. @CelebJets) remain active, suggesting that this policy of protecting privacy is being selectively applied.

"Having easy access to his whereabouts at all times" is hyperbole. Only his jet is being tracked, not his physical location at all times.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by troad »

wpietri wrote: post #205
ancapsfascists wrote: post #98

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Hacker News fell for it, hook line and sinker. The number of people saying "give him a chance" and "he actually believes in free speech" dominated those who were like, "he'll probably just change who gets banned to be more in line with his personal beliefs."

I saw somebody call Musk "Phony Stark", and that seems to me a pithy summary of the cognitive biases going on here. This place is a magnet for would-be world-changing tech geniuses. Musk's level of technical skill is in dispute, but he's been incredibly good at hyping himself as Thomas Edison 2.0, and has been very effective in using that to attract cheap capital for gee-whiz projects. I get why he got the benefit of…

> In the US right, "free speech" is often code for "the powerful should never experience criticism or accountability".

This is just your partisan blinkers talking. Someone on the right could equally say “social justice” on the US left is often code for “now I take your stuff”. Both statements are partisan, largely inaccurate, and wholly unconstructive.

There are many people on the right deeply committed to free speech, like David French. There are many non-partisan institutions committed to free speech, like (formerly) the ACLU and (now) FIRE. There are many left wing people deeply committed to free speech, like those people fighting Florida’s “anti-woke” speech laws.

Abolitionism. Civil rights. Gay rights. Liberal triumphs built on free speech, on free criticism, even in the face of overwhelming odds. Don’t cede free speech to petty partisanship. Nothing good will come of it.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by gaoshan »

The way he behaves is so similar to other super powerful people who know they will not be held accountable. In China Xi Jinping has been carrying out a long running "anti-corruption" campaign and while he does indeed crack down on corruption it also tends to be mostly people that oppose him that get cracked down upon. Elon is doing something similar here by using his power to crack down on someone that "opposes" him while leaving others, conveniently aligned with his interests, untouched. I'm sure we can find examples of this sort of utilitarian hypocrisy everywhere... it highlights the benefits of effective checks and balances on power.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by 40four »

phillipcarter wrote: post #628
40four wrote: post #572

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I'm flabbergasted by the overwhelming response that this account should be allowed "in the name of Free Speech". This isn't a free speech issue. This is a personal safety issue. It is a personal attack towards Musk. As high profile as he is, and the amount of controversy surrounding him, he certainly has a target on his back. I consider that account a form of Doxxing, and I can't think of any good reason it should be…

You're not flabbergasted and you don't believe it's doxxing. You just support your boy Elon.

I couldn't care less about Elon, unlike seemingly everyone else here. It's not about him. I would not support that type of account if it were targeting Brad Pitt, POTUS, or even my next door neighbor.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by s5300 »

overgard wrote: post #595
electrondood wrote: post #470

I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech. Basically, his entire tenure so far has been "free speech for me and the accounts that were rightfully banned for violating the TOS!" in public, and then "we'll deboost anyone who doesn't pay me a subscription" and "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem…

So we have a company headquartered in SF, and I think something like 98% of twitter's political donations went to democrats, and the employees acted as constant activists whenever the executives didn't take action against high level conservatives (I'll leave aside whether that action was justified or not). Also, if you read the twitter files, the enforcement was fairly lopsided. Look what happened to @libsoftiktok --…

>> They just didn't like the "intent".

She was instigating acts of extreme violence. Surely you’re joking. Or tell us how you really feel about certain extremely vulnerable & marginalized members of our society more, I guess.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by Haga »

memish wrote: post #764
jszymborski wrote: post #666

When the Elon/Twitter transaction went through, there were a lot of HN comments stating that they thought that this might actually mean a more open, "freer" Twitter. When I mentioned that Elon had already been using his power unilaterally to re-platform personal allies like Babylon Bee and Ye, I got all sorts of pedantry about the difference between suspension and banning, more pedantry about the Ye reactivation happ…

This assumes a lot. They have a moderation team that doesn't run every thing through him personally. They've also been aggressive about banning bots and valid stuff has gotten caught in that net. I'll be not at all surprised if it's unbanned by end of day or we learn more details about what actually happened.

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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by irae »

My guess to why he banned it now is that before he was more moderate against woke or left in general. Now that he is more openly and harshly targeting woke and Fauci, it becomes a bit more hazardous to have it up.

But this looks bad. He should have stated publicly why before banning it.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by fknorangesite »

bko wrote: post #639
madeofpalk wrote: post #607

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Is flightradar24.com a security concern? Note that the account wasn't about the location of a specific person, but rather the (public) location of a specific aircraft (own/used by a specific person). It's not like someone was tailing Elon and reporting their every location - planes must broadcast their location through use of ADS-B. It is public information. > If you agree its fine, would you apply the same reasoning…

Do you own a home? Would you like a social network that allows someone that doesn't like you to post your home address to millions of followers? Are sites like acris a security concern?

> Would you like a social network that allows someone that doesn't like you to post your home address to millions of followers?

I take it you are too young to remember phone books?

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