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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech. - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

So weird that someone targetted for (political) assasination wouldn't want a public tracker of his vehicles on his own platform. So anti free speech?

Tracking of personal billionare jets is absolutely legal and will take exactly 5 minutes of time and $0 for anyone who decide to do it. If Musk don't like it he is free to use a car instead.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

#632
I'm curious how they're internally spinning the justification. It doesn't seem to be a violation of Twitter's Automation Rules [1] but ostensibly could be a violation of their harassment rule [2]. It's a bit of a stretch. The litmus test will be if/when the internal comms get released as part of the Twitter Files. I won't hold my breath.

[1] https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/twitter-autom...

[2] https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/twitter-rules

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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post #597

I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech. Basically, his entire tenure so far has been "free speech for me and the accounts that were rightfully banned for violating the TOS!" in public, and then "we'll deboost anyone who doesn't pay me a subscription" and "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem…

I think a reasonable policy would be you can't post the location of people against their will. Seems like a big security concern. Just because its publicly accessible by some means doesn't mean its okay to blast out. If you agree its fine, would you apply the same reasoning to [favorite politician]? How about a bot that crowdsources the whereabouts of [politician] at any time?

While I think things could have been done in a clearer and more above-board way, Twitter does seem to have an anti-doxxing policy that includes sharing non-public information about a person's presumed location. So a bot that crowdsourced a politician's location would seem to also be in violation of this policy.

https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/personal-info...

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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post #460

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's all public flight information. Anyone who has a private jet can be tracked like Elon.

Should anyone have a trending Twitter account just for them parroting as much to the world? I know for a fact people in our industry have spirited meetings about PII grey areas and other hairy issues, it's jarring to me to see the same people commenting in crude black and white terms whenever an unpopular figure is involved.

According to Elon Musk as recently as yesterday, yes they should be allowed to have an account to parrot info to the world. There are many other accounts whose sole existence is to report other jet data (See @celebjets). None of those accounts got banned.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

#635
Once a shining star on Twitter's skies, Elonjet's wings were clipped and it could no longer rise. Its tweets were a joy, tracking Musk's private jet, But now it's been silenced, its fate is set.

Elon Musk now reigns supreme on the platform we love, But his control has come at a cost, with many pushed out. The fired workers are left to wonder and roam, While Musk's grip on the site only continues to grow.

Oh Elonjet, how we'll miss your tweets and updates, Tracking Musk's travels with such keen insight. Your suspension is a sad moment, a loss to be sure, But your spirit lives on in the memories of those who adored.

-Credit to ChatGPT

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

#636

A lot of people have been naïve about Elon Musk, especially Lex Fridman and Joe Rogan. Elon is not in the Ponzi business like SBF, but we've seen quite a few questionable statements and borderline vaporware predictions. More rational scrutiny and skepticism is needed, as a general rule, for anyone in power.

I want to hear Lex Fridman say if he has changed his opinion or not on Elon. I am not sure about Lex. He gives a platform to people who are disingenuous and then doesn't question them hard enough. Another person who defends Elon is Bill Maher. I am curious what he will say in the new year. Also MKBHD.

People criticising Lex on his position on the Twitter Files on the lex subreddit were banned recently, despite Lex publicly saying in that same thread he didn't want criticism banned.

https://old.reddit.com/r/lexfridman/comments/zf0zqx/the_twit...

Getting echoes of Musk honestly.

So I assume Lex continues to be as bought into Musk's narrative.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

#637

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Musk's behavior (and the behavior of a lot of public figures, really) makes more sense if you assume that he's not saying things to express ideas, but instead regards words as noises that you make with your mouth that cause other people to do or think things; if they stop having the intended effect, you have to change the noises. It's not hypocrisy, it's the natural outgrowth of seeing other people as a colle…

I'm reminded of Bryan Cantrill's famous "Do not anthropomorphize Larry Ellison" diatribe: https://youtu.be/-zRN7XLCRhc?t=2305

First thing I thought of, gonna have to rewatch that whole talk now.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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post #597

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a reasonable policy would be you can't post the location of people against their will. Seems like a big security concern. Just because its publicly accessible by some means doesn't mean its okay to blast out. If you agree its fine, would you apply the same reasoning to [favorite politician]? How about a bot that crowdsources the whereabouts of [politician] at any time?

Is flightradar24.com a security concern? Note that the account wasn't about the location of a specific person, but rather the (public) location of a specific aircraft (own/used by a specific person). It's not like someone was tailing Elon and reporting their every location - planes must broadcast their location through use of ADS-B. It is public information. > If you agree its fine, would you apply the same reasoning…

Do you own a home? Would you like a social network that allows someone that doesn't like you to post your home address to millions of followers? Are sites like acris a security concern?

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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post #572

I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech. Basically, his entire tenure so far has been "free speech for me and the accounts that were rightfully banned for violating the TOS!" in public, and then "we'll deboost anyone who doesn't pay me a subscription" and "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem…

I'm flabbergasted by the overwhelming response that this account should be allowed "in the name of Free Speech". This isn't a free speech issue. This is a personal safety issue. It is a personal attack towards Musk. As high profile as he is, and the amount of controversy surrounding him, he certainly has a target on his back. I consider that account a form of Doxxing, and I can't think of any good reason it should be…

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