ElonJet Is Now Suspended • Hacker News Board

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by runnerup » Wed, Dec 14, 2022, 5:30 PM UTC

prottog wrote: post #343

WhackyIdeas wrote: post #246

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Didn’t Jack Dorsey invest a billion dollars of his Twitter shares in Elon Musk’s takeover?… Hard to imagine him going after him. But then again, Elon is hell-bent on alienating everyone. I was planning on selling our Land Rover and getting a Tesla but I changed my mind because a lot of people will associate me with the guy or think I agree with him. Still.. amazing cars.

> Still.. amazing cars. Are they really that nice? I've been in a few but never owned one. I hear a lot about fit and finish issues unbefitting a car of that price range. What does a Model S get you that an S-class doesn't, or a Model 3 against, I don't know, an Audi A4? Is it just all about that electric drivetrain? I don't yet have a strong preference on electric vs. ICE, but I would gladly pay more to have a car w…

I figured buying Tesla got you access to the supercharger network. That seems like a massive differentiator still.

Can’t wait for all EVs and chargers to be interoperable.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by khuey » Wed, Dec 14, 2022, 5:30 PM UTC

overgard wrote: post #595

electrondood wrote: post #470

I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech. Basically, his entire tenure so far has been "free speech for me and the accounts that were rightfully banned for violating the TOS!" in public, and then "we'll deboost anyone who doesn't pay me a subscription" and "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem…

So we have a company headquartered in SF, and I think something like 98% of twitter's political donations went to democrats, and the employees acted as constant activists whenever the executives didn't take action against high level conservatives (I'll leave aside whether that action was justified or not). Also, if you read the twitter files, the enforcement was fairly lopsided. Look what happened to @libsoftiktok --…

> (I'll leave aside whether that action was justified or not)

Seems like an important detail to consider!

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by nimbius » Wed, Dec 14, 2022, 5:30 PM UTC

at the risk of a downvote or three, this is a crackling log in the dumpster fire of twitter.

major brands and advertisers jumped ship a month or two ago and very few have returned to see how elons checkmark 2.0, sink-dragging, maximum-hard-work "meet me on the tenth floor" late-on-the-rent leadership have panned out.

by all accounts, if your brand is safely evacuated from twitter, @elonjet is proof you probably dodged a bullet or two and should get some recognition by EOY for your efforts.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by throwawayacc3 » Wed, Dec 14, 2022, 5:31 PM UTC

Xelynega wrote: post #341

ffggvv wrote: post #202

isn’t this basically like doxxing? aren’t the people criticizing this move the ones who would be in hysterics if someone did this to a journalist or politician they like? especially if it was a woman of color or whatever preferred group

No, it's not like doxxing. Doxxing is when you find someone private details and publish them publicly. This account took public information from flight tracking information and published it publicly. That's why it's not the same as publishing the home address of a journalists who is a woman of colour.

>No, it's not like doxxing. Doxxing is when you find someone private details and publish them publicly.

That isn't true.

>This account took public information from flight tracking information and published it publicly...That's why it's not the same as publishing the home address of a journalists

Home addresses and the property owner's information are publicly available, typically from the county. This is not considered "private" information in the US, unfortunately.

>who is a woman of colour.

Stop being a racist/sexist. Reddit is that way. You can have all the racist/sexist fetishization parties you want over there. Get this garbage off HN.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by kelseyfrog » Wed, Dec 14, 2022, 5:31 PM UTC

pseudo0 wrote: post #663

qlm wrote: post #616

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If stochastic terrorism is speech that makes violent acts against an individual or group more likely, isn't ElonJet engaging in stochastic terrorism by making it easier for a radicalized crazy person to find Elon and harm him in real life? I personally think the concept of stochastic terrorism is a rhetorical trick to associate legal speech with terrorism, but I think the argument applies just as well to ElonJet.

This would be a believable argument iff Elon had to deal with legitimated threats on his life in direct connection to ElonJet's operation. Since there's no evidence to back this up, it's a false equivalence.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by treeman79 » Wed, Dec 14, 2022, 5:34 PM UTC

qlm wrote: post #616

overgard wrote: post #595

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So we have a company headquartered in SF, and I think something like 98% of twitter's political donations went to democrats, and the employees acted as constant activists whenever the executives didn't take action against high level conservatives (I'll leave aside whether that action was justified or not). Also, if you read the twitter files, the enforcement was fairly lopsided. Look what happened to @libsoftiktok --…

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What absolute garbage.

Basically anything that you don’t like is now considered terrorism.

Free speech is completely dead under this logic.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by P5fRxh5kUvp2th » Wed, Dec 14, 2022, 5:34 PM UTC

smoldesu wrote: post #681

spritefs wrote: post #622

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Yeah I agree that Elon is full of shit, but there's a little lie in here that needs to be addressed: > normal company operation in good faith But it wasn't "normal company operation" because they completely disregarded preexisting company policy for dealing with political figures. Here are political figures that they didn't ban (who were inciting violence) > 20. In June 2018, Iran’s Ayatollah Ali Khamenei tweeted, “#…

The larger problem isn't the lack of uniform enforcement. Our actual problem was trusting Twitter to remain impartial in the first place. It's crazy how many people bought into the "global town hall" bullshit Elon Musk pedaled, and now it's unsurprising to watch him backpedal now that the reigns are in his hands. Hopefully people realize that trusting $COMPANY will never deliver you anything good. We either regulate…

This is why we need regulation surrounding these things.

It's a balancing act between individual and social rights (individual in this case being twitter), but these companies very explicitly build to scale to be a sort of "town hall" and in doing so start having very large social influence the likes of which no one in history has ever had.

When they get to this scale there has to be extra responsibility here for the good of society as a whole.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by acdha » Wed, Dec 14, 2022, 5:35 PM UTC

gfodor wrote: post #504

acdha wrote: post #177

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“fish this information out” makes it sound like it's hard to use any of the common websites which do the same thing. If the goal is security, he either needs to stop flying a personal jet or accept the cost of having adequate physical security where he does. Anyone who was incapable of looking up the jet's location without Twitter is unlikely to be competent enough to pose more risk than they would, say, staking out…

Pull vs push. The model where a person’s jet is posted on Twitter is one where the information can go viral and get pushed to everyone. It is a hugely different situation in terms of distribution and expected impressions.

Can you expand the scenario you're imagining where there's a grave threat to Elon Musk's personal safety because someone can see where his jet is located, but only if it goes viral because that person would not otherwise be motivated enough to spend 30 seconds looking it up?

I'm having trouble seeing even reach the level of Bruce Schneier's Movie Plot threats much less the level where it would warrant restricting someone's ability to share public information. We were, after all, tediously reassured that Musk's deep and heartfelt belief in the sanctity of free speech extended even to the point of not restricting people who made specific threats to attack the U.S. system of government, so it seems quite disingenuous for him to then turn around and block people to prevent comments which might hurt his feelings.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by meepmorp » Wed, Dec 14, 2022, 5:35 PM UTC

simple10 wrote: post #632

I'm curious how they're internally spinning the justification. It doesn't seem to be a violation of Twitter's Automation Rules [1] but ostensibly could be a violation of their harassment rule [2]. It's a bit of a stretch. The litmus test will be if/when the internal comms get released as part of the Twitter Files. I won't hold my breath. [1] https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/twitter-autom... [2] https://…

The same guy has other twitter accounts that track other people's planes, and those are still active (or were when I checked an hour ago). Res ipsa loquitur.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by giantrobot » Wed, Dec 14, 2022, 5:35 PM UTC

Workaccount2 wrote: post #60

FourHand451 wrote: post #24

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How exactly is he working toward free speech being a driving force? From what I can tell, he's just banning different people.

He's not, he was idealizing it. His rhetoric about free speech harkens back to the early/mid internet days. The internet today is not what it was 20 years ago when you could run a platform where rule #1 was "Free speech is absolute and guaranteed", and could actually fulfill that promise without consequence.

> when you could run a platform where rule #1 was "Free speech is absolute and guaranteed", and could actually fulfill that promise without consequence.

This is ridiculously ahistorical. The only time you found consequence-free speech on the Internet was when the reach was small or people that might not care didn't pay attention.

Platforms got shut down or censored all the time. Usenet access from an ISP's NNTP servers would often be missing a lot of groups or sometimes while hierarchies. Web hosts would take down pages or suspend accounts regularly. Even before widespread Internet access BBSes would get taken down. Steve Jackson Games' BBS got raided by the Secret Service because it had promo copy for a cyberpunk game they were writing. Rust n' Edie's BBS got taken down for software piracy and then sued because someone uploaded scans from Playboy.

The whole reason PGP exists is because Phil Zimmerman was concerned talking about anti-nuclear protests would attract the attention of the government. Pretty much every aspect of old cypherpunk developments were done because there was no assumption speech on the Internet was free from consequences.