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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by smoldesu »

spritefs wrote: post #622
electrondood wrote: post #470

I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech. Basically, his entire tenure so far has been "free speech for me and the accounts that were rightfully banned for violating the TOS!" in public, and then "we'll deboost anyone who doesn't pay me a subscription" and "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem…

Yeah I agree that Elon is full of shit, but there's a little lie in here that needs to be addressed: > normal company operation in good faith But it wasn't "normal company operation" because they completely disregarded preexisting company policy for dealing with political figures. Here are political figures that they didn't ban (who were inciting violence) > 20. In June 2018, Iran’s Ayatollah Ali Khamenei tweeted, “#…

The larger problem isn't the lack of uniform enforcement. Our actual problem was trusting Twitter to remain impartial in the first place. It's crazy how many people bought into the "global town hall" bullshit Elon Musk pedaled, and now it's unsurprising to watch him backpedal now that the reigns are in his hands.

Hopefully people realize that trusting $COMPANY will never deliver you anything good. We either regulate the things we care about, or let stuff like this happen. Either way, the world keeps spinning.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by freedomben »

jimbob45 wrote: post #651
overgard wrote: post #595

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So we have a company headquartered in SF, and I think something like 98% of twitter's political donations went to democrats, and the employees acted as constant activists whenever the executives didn't take action against high level conservatives (I'll leave aside whether that action was justified or not). Also, if you read the twitter files, the enforcement was fairly lopsided. Look what happened to @libsoftiktok --…

You're going to mislead a lot of non-Americans here with the bit about political donations. In America, you can donate to one party to benefit the other party by virtue of candidate selection during primary elections. Who one donates to does not necessarily match their preferred party.

Yes that happens, but how common is it really? I've never heard of anyone actually doing that.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by mrb »

bobleeswagger wrote: post #611
encoderer wrote: post #584

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re “flabbergasted”? This is publicly available information. What exactly is the safety threat with this twitter acct?

Publicly available information is... publicly available information. Singling out public information and publishing it to single out one person when there are safety and security implications is crossing the line distinctly into what we call doxxing. Just curious, how long have you been on the internet? Would you like an account like this to exist tracking everything you do?

«tracking everything you do»

It's quite an hyperbole to go from "tracking what city you airplane lands it" to "tracking everything you do"

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by Rebelgecko »

bko wrote: post #639
madeofpalk wrote: post #607

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is flightradar24.com a security concern? Note that the account wasn't about the location of a specific person, but rather the (public) location of a specific aircraft (own/used by a specific person). It's not like someone was tailing Elon and reporting their every location - planes must broadcast their location through use of ADS-B. It is public information. > If you agree its fine, would you apply the same reasoning…

Do you own a home? Would you like a social network that allows someone that doesn't like you to post your home address to millions of followers? Are sites like acris a security concern?

>Do you own a home?

Yes

>Would you like a social network that allows someone that doesn't like you to post your home address to millions of followers?

That's public data in my county whether I like it or not. Presumably that's where most of my junk mail comes from. It's annoying but I don't think it should be banned necessarily

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by [deleted] »

Xelynega wrote: post #341
ffggvv wrote: post #202

isn’t this basically like doxxing? aren’t the people criticizing this move the ones who would be in hysterics if someone did this to a journalist or politician they like? especially if it was a woman of color or whatever preferred group

No, it's not like doxxing. Doxxing is when you find someone private details and publish them publicly. This account took public information from flight tracking information and published it publicly. That's why it's not the same as publishing the home address of a journalists who is a woman of colour.

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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by kevinmchugh »

hunterb123 wrote: post #523
kevinmchugh wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Death threats are not covered by free speech, but the location of a jet is not a death threat. I don't think you'll find any legal precedent that says doxing isn't protected speech. Doxing is a bit of forum etiquette and is not considered taboo under other norms. It's also incorrect to say the jet's location tells you where Elon is. I have a friend who's ridden that jet. My friend isn't Elon, but worked for him

What about stalking??

Stalking is not speech

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by zoklet-enjoyer »

qlm wrote: post #616
overgard wrote: post #595

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So we have a company headquartered in SF, and I think something like 98% of twitter's political donations went to democrats, and the employees acted as constant activists whenever the executives didn't take action against high level conservatives (I'll leave aside whether that action was justified or not). Also, if you read the twitter files, the enforcement was fairly lopsided. Look what happened to @libsoftiktok --…

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Hahahaha is this a joke?

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by LinuxBender »

Elon is probably multitasking too much to realize he could have left the account up and just traded-up the plane to a newer model and used a different company or legal entity to acquire the old plane. Form an LLC Elon's Musk... Surely he must have a wealthy friend that could buy the plane just to troll people with all the unusual places they could land. I think my first stop would be a private air-strip just outside Area 51. The FAA registration would eventually update but their paperwork is slow thus there would be some lag time.
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