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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by bobleeswagger »

encoderer wrote: post #584
40four wrote: post #572

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm flabbergasted by the overwhelming response that this account should be allowed "in the name of Free Speech". This isn't a free speech issue. This is a personal safety issue. It is a personal attack towards Musk. As high profile as he is, and the amount of controversy surrounding him, he certainly has a target on his back. I consider that account a form of Doxxing, and I can't think of any good reason it should be…

You’re “flabbergasted”? This is publicly available information. What exactly is the safety threat with this twitter acct?

Publicly available information is... publicly available information.

Singling out public information and publishing it to single out one person when there are safety and security implications is crossing the line distinctly into what we call doxxing.

Just curious, how long have you been on the internet?

Would you like an account like this to exist tracking everything you do?

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by 40four »

encoderer wrote: post #584
40four wrote: post #572

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm flabbergasted by the overwhelming response that this account should be allowed "in the name of Free Speech". This isn't a free speech issue. This is a personal safety issue. It is a personal attack towards Musk. As high profile as he is, and the amount of controversy surrounding him, he certainly has a target on his back. I consider that account a form of Doxxing, and I can't think of any good reason it should be…

You’re “flabbergasted”? This is publicly available information. What exactly is the safety threat with this twitter acct?

Public information or not, that doesn't make it ethical. It would be different if it tracked other celebrities also. It's a personal attack. I don't know why I have to explain why it would be a safety threat, but sure. Someone who wanted to do harm to Elon having easy access to his whereabouts at all time? Put yourself in his shoes. Would that make you feel more or less safe? And these days, someone wanting to harm him is not a far fetched idea. I don't care that it's public information, most people wouldn't even know that it is, let alone where to find and parse the data. Just because you can publish information like this doesn't mean it's ethical, or it doesn't directly effect someone's well being.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by ihuman »

BoardsOfCanada wrote: post #581

The account seems to be up and running when I click the link. If anything this shows how badly people want to find anything to criticize Musk for. Accounts get flagged, give it half a day at least.

OP links to bot's creator's Twitter account, which hasn't been suspended. The @ElonJet account is still suspended.

https://twitter.com/elonjet

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by ergocoder »

detaro wrote: post #507
mberning wrote: post #492

Where are all the principled “it’s a private company” people now lol.

“it’s a private company” is an argument about legality. Doesn't mean you can't criticize or make fun of a company or its Chief Twit for what it does.

Here is one of the people. Now it is just a legal matter.

When banning trump, it is used as the main argument.

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Post by qlm »

overgard wrote: post #595
electrondood wrote: post #470

I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech. Basically, his entire tenure so far has been "free speech for me and the accounts that were rightfully banned for violating the TOS!" in public, and then "we'll deboost anyone who doesn't pay me a subscription" and "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem…

So we have a company headquartered in SF, and I think something like 98% of twitter's political donations went to democrats, and the employees acted as constant activists whenever the executives didn't take action against high level conservatives (I'll leave aside whether that action was justified or not). Also, if you read the twitter files, the enforcement was fairly lopsided. Look what happened to @libsoftiktok --…

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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by bobleeswagger »

eptcyka wrote: post #587
40four wrote: post #572

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm flabbergasted by the overwhelming response that this account should be allowed "in the name of Free Speech". This isn't a free speech issue. This is a personal safety issue. It is a personal attack towards Musk. As high profile as he is, and the amount of controversy surrounding him, he certainly has a target on his back. I consider that account a form of Doxxing, and I can't think of any good reason it should be…

Is someone paying you to outcry the publishing of already public information?

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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by Jochim »

bko wrote: post #597
electrondood wrote: post #470

I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech. Basically, his entire tenure so far has been "free speech for me and the accounts that were rightfully banned for violating the TOS!" in public, and then "we'll deboost anyone who doesn't pay me a subscription" and "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem…

I think a reasonable policy would be you can't post the location of people against their will. Seems like a big security concern. Just because its publicly accessible by some means doesn't mean its okay to blast out. If you agree its fine, would you apply the same reasoning to [favorite politician]? How about a bot that crowdsources the whereabouts of [politician] at any time?

I think that'd be a reasonable policy for anyone who isn't claiming to be a free speech absolutist.

If you make that claim and then enact censorious policies then you're plainly a liar.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by overgard »

I'm not going to justify this action, I think he's in the wrong, but if the only speech he's suppressing is people making fun of him I don't care that much. Hypocrite, sure, but I'm more worried about the project Matt Taibbi lays out in pt 3 of the twitter files:

> Before the Capitol riots, the company was engaged in an inherently insane/impossible project, trying to create an ever-expanding, ostensibly rational set of rules to regulate every conceivable speech situation that might arise between human beings.

> This project was preposterous, yet its leaders were unable to see this, having become infected with the firm’s groupthink, coming to believe – sincerely – that it was their responsibility to control, as much as possible, what people could talk about, how often, and with whom.

^ THAT, is the kind of policy I'm worried about.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by wprl »

40four wrote: post #572
electrondood wrote: post #470

I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech. Basically, his entire tenure so far has been "free speech for me and the accounts that were rightfully banned for violating the TOS!" in public, and then "we'll deboost anyone who doesn't pay me a subscription" and "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem…

I'm flabbergasted by the overwhelming response that this account should be allowed "in the name of Free Speech". This isn't a free speech issue. This is a personal safety issue. It is a personal attack towards Musk. As high profile as he is, and the amount of controversy surrounding him, he certainly has a target on his back. I consider that account a form of Doxxing, and I can't think of any good reason it should be…

And preventing the triggered and willful spread of disinformation about our elections and public health is not a safety issue??
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