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Post by preordained »

brovak wrote: post #460
m3kw9 wrote: post #439

Everyone here is pissed, but let’s see how it works out if there is an account tracking your own location.

It's all public flight information. Anyone who has a private jet can be tracked like Elon.

Should anyone have a trending Twitter account just for them parroting as much to the world? I know for a fact people in our industry have spirited meetings about PII grey areas and other hairy issues, it's jarring to me to see the same people commenting in crude black and white terms whenever an unpopular figure is involved.

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Post by ben_w »

EarlKing wrote: post #271
phailhaus wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flight data is already public, the account was "just" posting about it on Twitter.

So if I find your phone number in the white pages you'll have no problem with everyone knowing it, right? Because that's public information, right?

For the first 20-ish years of my life, a physical copy of the telephone directory listing almost all local subscribers (including my parents and by extension me), was physically posted to every subscriber's house.

Some people did indeed abuse that knowledge, but it was rare.

A few people were, by request, "ex-directory" and not listed, but again, that was rare.

Most people were not only absolutely fine with their phone number being public info, it was more useful then than a publicly-known email address is now.

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Post by gfodor »

acdha wrote: post #177
gfodor wrote: post #131

Dozing a person’s whereabouts isn’t free speech - yes I know you can fish this information out but it’s obvious this is intended to make it easy to figure out where he is. I’m amazed at the replies to this thread arguing this is a speech issue, especially considering the obvious need for heightened security due to what I’d imagine is a flood of death threats.

“fish this information out” makes it sound like it's hard to use any of the common websites which do the same thing. If the goal is security, he either needs to stop flying a personal jet or accept the cost of having adequate physical security where he does. Anyone who was incapable of looking up the jet's location without Twitter is unlikely to be competent enough to pose more risk than they would, say, staking out…

Pull vs push. The model where a person’s jet is posted on Twitter is one where the information can go viral and get pushed to everyone. It is a hugely different situation in terms of distribution and expected impressions.

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Post by adfghoinioasdgk »

fnordpiglet wrote: post #387
minimaxir wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worth noting that Twitter dissolved the Trust and Safety Council after that tweet was posted: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/twitter-disbands-trus... It's unclear if Ella Irwin still works at Twitter, but giving everything going on I strongly suspect there's no one to moderate against Elon personally banning an account he does not like.

I don’t mean to be a antagonistic but as the owner of twitter why would we expect he not have the right and ability to ban anyone he likes? When it was publicly held there was some accountability to the shareholders as part of the public. Now he can literally carry a sink around wherever he wants

This is not, in my mind, an issue of free speech. It is an issue of wealth and power.

The right to free speech entails the right to censorship. I can freely throw someone out of my house for expressing something I dislike. A publisher can refuse to publish someone's work for any reason. If someone expresses an idea others find distasteful, it is their right to boycott that person and anyone associated with them.

My problem is not with the censorship. It is with the money. Our oligarchs are comparable in power to royalty of old, and they act with no oversight and no accountability. Musk was able to waltz in and start dictating terms to millions of people. One man should not have that kind of power.

I will not claim to know where the lines should be drawn. It is clearly OK for someone to run a newsletter about local Yorkshire Terrier breeders with an iron fist, but it is clearly not OK to run a global monopoly of a social media company in the same way. I don't know what happens in the middle ground.

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Post by AlexandrB »

nashashmi wrote: post #334
alarmingfox wrote: post #4

Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech. - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

He trashes people who trash talk his cars. Even if you happened to die while testing his auto pilot feature. Yeah. He will trash talk you while you are rolling in your grave thinking Elon was god. And then god comes to show you how amazing your god was. He trashed talk a journalist immediately after the journalist complained he had to journey thru cold with out heater because his batteries would not last until the ne…

I think all of this is part of his appeal. He's more "scruffy" and unfiltered than most people with his prominence and responsibilities. But it's easy to confuse this lack of a filter for honesty, when the two may be entirely orthogonal.

Elon's communication style is also good for forming "parasocial" relationships with his audience which explains how loyal and fervent many of his fans are.

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Post by detaro »

mberning wrote: post #492

Where are all the principled “it’s a private company” people now lol.

“it’s a private company” is an argument about legality. Doesn't mean you can't criticize or make fun of a company or its Chief Twit for what it does.

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Post by gumboza »

theturtletalks wrote: post #401
grumple wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty amazing that one guy tweeting public info made Elon spend 44 billion.

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He's not managed to control the narrative though, only tank his finances and draw attention to everything negative that falls out of his face hole.

I'm quite enjoying this one at the moment.

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Post by PraetorianGourd »

AdamN wrote: post #467
yosefk wrote: post #389

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like the really interesting part of "The Twitter Files" isn't the arbitrary moderation decisions made (we sort of knew what they were thru their implementation and it's hard for moderation to be "not arbitrary" whether you agree with the decisions or not) but the involvement of US government representatives in it. I'm neither a lawyer nor an American but AFAIK according to past SCOTUS rulings, it is illegal fo…

The current Twitter Files aren't that interesting either. I haven't seen anything related to them that even seems different than how I thought it was working at the time, nor that seems illegal or incorrect. The idea that the fruits of a hack should not be published by media outlets (including Twitter) for at least a cooling off period makes alot of sense. Also for Podesta to be involved in that since the hacking of…

Do you feel the same about Snowden or the other WikiLeaks dumps? I am not accusing you of being in this camp, but the conventional wisdom at that time was that information should be released as soon as possible with no redactions, even if doing so risked the lives of agents in the field

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Post by [deleted] »

LelouBil wrote: post #408
fnordpiglet wrote: post #387

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t mean to be a antagonistic but as the owner of twitter why would we expect he not have the right and ability to ban anyone he likes? When it was publicly held there was some accountability to the shareholders as part of the public. Now he can literally carry a sink around wherever he wants

Nobody said he didn't have the right to do it. It's his company now. However he said he wanted twitter to be a free speech platform of some sort, so that's seen as hypocritical.

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