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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by Nifty3929 »

Does anyone else see any daylight between criticizing someone and tracking their movements?

I think there are two cases we should observe to be able to judge motives here: - What happens to Twitter accounts that are heavily critical of Musk, but do not track him or otherwise lead to real-world harassment/violence? - What happens to a Twitter account that is tracking someone else who isn't Musk?

If Twitter is allowing the former (Musk criticism), and banning the latter (tracking/harassment of non-Musk people), then I think this is fine.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by onlyrealcuzzo »

mywittyname wrote: post #85
ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #8

Looks like he's sprinting towards the endgame of bankruptcy: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/13/technology/elon-musk-twit...

I'm guessing bankruptcy has always been the plan, but I never really understood why his financial backers would knowingly light a pile of money on fire. For oppressive governments, it seems easier to monitor & block activity on one major social media platform, rather than quashing twitter and dealing with the dozens of platforms that rise from the ashes. Maybe it's a megalomaniac dictator thing, and I will never unde…

Bankruptcy would be really bad for Musk in this case - his creditors will get 10s of billions worth of Tesla shares as collateral.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by fckgw »

potency wrote: post #218
ancapsfascists wrote: post #77

Good to see I'm vindicated in the prediction that Musk has zero interest in free speech, he only has interest in his narrative being dominant on Twitter.

He's also restored countless accounts that were banned under previous ownership. While banning ElonJet flys in the face of being a "free speech absolutist", he's certainly demonstrated that he's generally in favor of freer speech.

*freer speech that he likes

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by zzzeek »

lubesGordi wrote: post #247
yanderekko wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question: Is there an alternative narrative here? People are acting like Musk changed course for no reason, but are there no real claims that the account perhaps had started to engage in other rule-breaking content? Note that I'm asking for an actual steelmanned argument for why there's no possible defense of Musk here, not why people have high priors to just assume there's no defense.

Of course there are other narratives. You're limited by your creativity. Generally the one that involves the least creativity prevails. There's a huge constituency ready to jump on Musk for whatever, and here they are, because it's easy. Until there's facts just stay agnostic...

did someone come up with that before? someone who had a "razor", or something.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by EarlKing »

alarmingfox wrote: post #4

Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech. - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

Just so we're clear: You'll be totally in favor of maintaining the accounts of anyone who routinely posts the location of others, including yourself, right? Because that's not stalking at all... right?

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by educaysean »

knicholes wrote: post #227
pjc50 wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does anyone care about alternative "narratives"? Are there any other facts that one might like to introduce? Not alternative facts, things that actually happened.

Because facts can be interpreted in different ways. Any action can be interpreted as self-interest, but perhaps the true motive is different. You gave money to a school to pay for lunches? You were just trying to get your name in a newspaper because of your ego. Or maybe, just maybe, you're a person trying to do the right thing and make the world a slightly better place.

> You gave money to a school to pay for lunches? You were just trying to get your name in a newspaper because of your ego.

So what? What is wrong with that? We can't even understand our own motives, let alone attempt to decipher others'. Why not let the action speak for itself? If you're a selfish person prioritizing your own PR above others' needs, your actions will ultimately reflect it, and we can judge them on it. Otherwise, kudos for finding and pursuing something that aligns nicely with your own needs as well as the needs of others.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by mikeyouse »

ffggvv wrote: post #202

isn’t this basically like doxxing? aren’t the people criticizing this move the ones who would be in hysterics if someone did this to a journalist or politician they like? especially if it was a woman of color or whatever preferred group

No.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by throwaway894345 »

marricks wrote: post #179
yanderekko wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question: Is there an alternative narrative here? People are acting like Musk changed course for no reason, but are there no real claims that the account perhaps had started to engage in other rule-breaking content? Note that I'm asking for an actual steelmanned argument for why there's no possible defense of Musk here, not why people have high priors to just assume there's no defense.

> People are acting like Musk changed course for no reason I'm not sure that's the case. I think many people, myself included, assumed Musk's course was always "just do what's best for me." So he's really just holding to that. You should give people in your life the benefit of the doubt, but large corporations and billionaires usually found success by acting in their own interest so they will just keep on doing that.

> large corporations and billionaires usually found success by acting in their own interest so they will just keep on doing that

I mean, if you have to irrationally hate someone, I guess billionaires are going to be the ones with the resources to handle it, but I'd really rather we as a society move away from this sort of cathartic scapegoating altogether. The more we normalize taking our anger out on some group or another, backed up by flimsy excuses like "x usually found success by acting in their own interest" the more likely it becomes that "x" will be "The Jews" or some other group.

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