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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by hef19898 »

mywittyname wrote: post #85
ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #8

Looks like he's sprinting towards the endgame of bankruptcy: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/13/technology/elon-musk-twit...

I'm guessing bankruptcy has always been the plan, but I never really understood why his financial backers would knowingly light a pile of money on fire. For oppressive governments, it seems easier to monitor & block activity on one major social media platform, rather than quashing twitter and dealing with the dozens of platforms that rise from the ashes. Maybe it's a megalomaniac dictator thing, and I will never unde…

Depends on what securities Elon had to provide to get the loans. If it was Tesla stock, well, thej it might not be as bad as deal for his financial backers, especially the banks. It might be for him, so.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by ethanbond »

1234letshaveatw wrote: post #192
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like what? Musk, the self-proclaimed free speech absolutionist, said he removed most policies and whatnot.

I thought he mentioned increasing the removal of illegal content and ensuring that public discourse wasn't influenced/manipulated, by state actors, overwhelmingly towards one side over another?

Yes you're interpreting his completely nonsubstantive "rule-by-implicature" as intended: Elon said he was gonna do Good Things and he's gonna stop Bad Things and I don't really need to think about what constitutes either of those things.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by stephc_int13 »

A lot of people have been naïve about Elon Musk, especially Lex Fridman and Joe Rogan.

Elon is not in the Ponzi business like SBF, but we've seen quite a few questionable statements and borderline vaporware predictions.

More rational scrutiny and skepticism is needed, as a general rule, for anyone in power.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by lettergram »

kirkbackus wrote: post #180
starkd wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Banning accounts such as this is not at all inconsistent with banning accounts with the stated intent to track or surveil an individual. Accounts such as this are dangerous and no one needs to know his travel plans. The need for privacy does not interfere with anyone's freedom of speech here.

Flight information provided to the FAA is considered public information. This is funded with taxpayer money, and is not privy to privacy.

One could argue, none of the FAA data should be public information... I personally think that's the case. All the FAA really needs to know is where all the objects are, not specific planes.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by WhackyIdeas »

saboot wrote: post #111

It's pretty clear Elon wants everyone that has insulted or crossed him or otherwise proven him wrong to suffer some consequence to alleviate his bruised ego. Fauci, ElonJet, and more Think I'm wrong? Let's see if he'll go after Jack Dorsey in the future for recently correcting him on going after CSAM.

Didn’t Jack Dorsey invest a billion dollars of his Twitter shares in Elon Musk’s takeover?… Hard to imagine him going after him.

But then again, Elon is hell-bent on alienating everyone. I was planning on selling our Land Rover and getting a Tesla but I changed my mind because a lot of people will associate me with the guy or think I agree with him. Still.. amazing cars.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by lubesGordi »

yanderekko wrote: post #27
alarmingfox wrote: post #4

Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech. - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

Serious question: Is there an alternative narrative here? People are acting like Musk changed course for no reason, but are there no real claims that the account perhaps had started to engage in other rule-breaking content? Note that I'm asking for an actual steelmanned argument for why there's no possible defense of Musk here, not why people have high priors to just assume there's no defense.

Of course there are other narratives. You're limited by your creativity. Generally the one that involves the least creativity prevails. There's a huge constituency ready to jump on Musk for whatever, and here they are, because it's easy. Until there's facts just stay agnostic...

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by phailhaus »

LimitedInfo wrote: post #238
alarmingfox wrote: post #4

Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech. - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

serious question, does free speech extend to doxing? Personally I wouldn't like if there was a twitter that constantly tweeted the location of my car.

Flight data is already public, the account was "just" posting about it on Twitter.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by Lendal »

starkd wrote: post #158
alarmingfox wrote: post #4

Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech. - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

Banning accounts such as this is not at all inconsistent with banning accounts with the stated intent to track or surveil an individual. Accounts such as this are dangerous and no one needs to know his travel plans. The need for privacy does not interfere with anyone's freedom of speech here.

In the early days of aviation, when flight information was not public, hundreds of people would routinely die in airplane crashes. Those days are over because flight plans are now public information. When you're in the sky, you are under surveillance, no matter who you are. If you deviate from your flight plan, that is also known. It must be this way, for the safety of everyone else in the sky around you.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by soneil »

outside1234 wrote: post #142
yanderekko wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question: Is there an alternative narrative here? People are acting like Musk changed course for no reason, but are there no real claims that the account perhaps had started to engage in other rule-breaking content? Note that I'm asking for an actual steelmanned argument for why there's no possible defense of Musk here, not why people have high priors to just assume there's no defense.

He literally just unbanned an account that tried to run a coup on the federal government and yet an account that shows where his jet is is dangerous? Which is it? Because it seems like "I don't like it" is the new justification for bans and "I agree with it" is the new justification for unblocking accounts.

The account that first posted a video of Elon being booed on stage at a recent comedy show, was swiftly suspended. It's very difficult to deny this quacks like a duck.
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