Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok • Hacker News Board

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Post by zolosa » Tue, Dec 13, 2022, 5:32 PM UTC

varispeed wrote: post #12

mrtksn wrote: post #7

Why not regulate how the data is used or stored, like the EU does, but ban? I'm really hoping this doesn't become a reality because if it does, we will end up with partitioned internet and stagnation. People often forget that the US companies are foreign entity for most of the worlds population and with the WikiLeaks revelations we know for a fact that the US government has access to the data of American tech compani…

State run apps that are designed to "nudge" and manipulate population at a large scale, should be classified as weapons and banned. This is not a regular app, but part of information warfare China is engaged in with the West.

Hope the third world countries understand this and ban Twitter and Meta apps.

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Post by TotoHorner » Tue, Dec 13, 2022, 5:32 PM UTC

countvonbalzac wrote: post #41

arikr wrote: post #29

If Elon can re-launch Vine in time, I could see this working out. US Government causes a mass TikTok exodus and everyone goes onto Vine.

everyone's going to go to Instagram Reels and YouTube Shorts.

It’ll just be YouTube shorts most likely.

Reels is pretty terrible.

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Dec 13, 2022, 5:33 PM UTC

philjohn wrote: post #21

mrtksn wrote: post #7

Why not regulate how the data is used or stored, like the EU does, but ban? I'm really hoping this doesn't become a reality because if it does, we will end up with partitioned internet and stagnation. People often forget that the US companies are foreign entity for most of the worlds population and with the WikiLeaks revelations we know for a fact that the US government has access to the data of American tech compani…

US Tech firms products are largely banned in China, closing off a market of 1bn+ - why should Chinese firms have unfettered access to the US?

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Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Post by jzmorganchase » Tue, Dec 13, 2022, 5:33 PM UTC

nequo wrote: post #75

jzmorganchase wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if you believe China is a dystopian state why would a Chinese tech product that isn't even allowed in it's international form within China not itself "dystopian" imo the most dystopian thing about TikTok is the fact that China intentionally exports a highly addictive product that they don't allow their own people to use

TikTok does exist in China. It is called Douyin. The reason that they have a separate service domestically is most likely not the addictiveness of it. From the introduction section of Wikipedia's article on TikTok: TikTok and Douyin have almost the same user interface but no access to each other's content. Their servers are each based in the market where the respective app is available.[11] The two products are simil…

This is not true. The recent 60 minutes story specifically says the type of content is completely different because it is heavily moderated in China which is the total opposite of what we see in the US or elsewhere outside of China.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j0xzuh-6rY&ab_channel=60Min...

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Post by reaperducer » Tue, Dec 13, 2022, 5:33 PM UTC

jedberg wrote: post #78

reaperducer wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like a good way to lose young voters. Anyone aggrieved by this would move on to the next social fad and forget that TikTok even exists as quickly as they forgot #kony2012 three months later. And my guess is that they're not exactly enthusiastic participants in the electoral system anyway.

> And my guess is that they're not exactly enthusiastic participants in the electoral system anyway. Gen Z voters were the driving force giving the Democrats the best midterm results in decades.

Are Gen Z's TikTok users? I thought that was mostly for Millennials and more recently, Boomers.

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Post by CuriouslyC » Tue, Dec 13, 2022, 5:33 PM UTC

countvonbalzac wrote: post #41

arikr wrote: post #29

If Elon can re-launch Vine in time, I could see this working out. US Government causes a mass TikTok exodus and everyone goes onto Vine.

everyone's going to go to Instagram Reels and YouTube Shorts.

Instagram is dying, if TikTok is banned Youtube wins.

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Post by googlryas » Tue, Dec 13, 2022, 5:34 PM UTC

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #2

Somebody more in the know, will this actually pass?

I see teenagers overthrowing the US government as more likely than this bill passing. Cats out of the bag - the only possible course is mandating the physical location of the data and preventing it's transmission to china...but good luck with that.

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Post by AlbertCory » Tue, Dec 13, 2022, 5:34 PM UTC

mrtksn wrote: post #22

philjohn wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US Tech firms products are largely banned in China, closing off a market of 1bn+ - why should Chinese firms have unfettered access to the US?

Because China is not a good example to follow. It is a dystopian state with full control of what their citizens have access to. Why would you want to have your government to choose the apps for you?

Ah, it's the old slippery-slope argument again.

I'm fine with banning all apps from countries that require their app-makers to share data with the government. If that requires an international treaty to codify when a company must share data (e.g. only with a criminal warrant), then great, let's do that.

China would refuse to sign that treaty? Even better.

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Post by kelseyfrog » Tue, Dec 13, 2022, 5:35 PM UTC

philjohn wrote: post #21

mrtksn wrote: post #7

Why not regulate how the data is used or stored, like the EU does, but ban? I'm really hoping this doesn't become a reality because if it does, we will end up with partitioned internet and stagnation. People often forget that the US companies are foreign entity for most of the worlds population and with the WikiLeaks revelations we know for a fact that the US government has access to the data of American tech compani…

US Tech firms products are largely banned in China, closing off a market of 1bn+ - why should Chinese firms have unfettered access to the US?

Because it would distort the market for digital identity information even more? When it comes to commodifying online behavior and selling it in digital marketplaces we need less market interference, not more.

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Post by KaoruAoiShiho » Tue, Dec 13, 2022, 5:35 PM UTC

countvonbalzac wrote: post #51

jimbob45 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why spin it off? We already have a clone in the form of Instagram Reels. Also banning TikTok might set off a Cold War of banning each other’s apps and I have to think we would lose more in that scenario.

If that's true, then didn't the cold war of banning each other's apps start when China banned youtube, facebook, instagram, google, twitter, whatsapp, snapchat, amazon, messenger, and twitch, just to name a few?

Google and FB famously pulled out, if they didn't they would still be there. It's the US that is stopping google, etc from operating there, remember project dragonfly that the prevented from going into china?

Amazon is doing decently there currently.