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New Zealand passes legislation banning cigarettes for future generations

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Re: New Zealand passes legislation banning cigarettes for future generations

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point of the law is to prevent anyone born after 2008 from buying cigarettes. Hardcore users that are older than that can continue to purchase tobacco.

Right, those born after 2008 will have to buy their cigarettes illegally.

Illegal cigarettes are something deeply ingrained in my mind as part of the trade from the mafia. I'm now imagining guido looking men with kiwi accents.

Re: New Zealand passes legislation banning cigarettes for future generations

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post #10

Why do they think this won't increase the allure of cigarettes in general? Feels like prohibition has always been a questionable idea, regardless of what its target is, and it has pretty much never worked as expected. It's especially awkward given that people's interest in tobacco has already fallen to new lows without it (the article suggests only 8% of the adult population smokes now), so it feels like it could be…

> prohibition has always been a questionable idea

Any data on it having counter effect on the actual consumption and prevelance? I believe are the negatives were secondary but it was effective in primary goals.

Re: New Zealand passes legislation banning cigarettes for future generations

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post #10

Why do they think this won't increase the allure of cigarettes in general? Feels like prohibition has always been a questionable idea, regardless of what its target is, and it has pretty much never worked as expected. It's especially awkward given that people's interest in tobacco has already fallen to new lows without it (the article suggests only 8% of the adult population smokes now), so it feels like it could be…

Smoking cigarettes has always been something that was started pretty young. It is an outlier who starts smoking after the age of 18. This law will affect total smoking in the population only as much as it can affect the ability of minors to obtain cigarettes. By making it a black market, this may backfire, since it is easier for an underage person to purchase something illegally from an illegal supplier than it is for an underage person to purchase something illegally from a legal supplier. However since NZ is an island nation they may be able to pull this off since smuggling in cigarettes may not be lucrative enough compared to something like cocaine or heroin. Of course the penalties would have to be more than a slap on the wrist for that to be the case.

Re: New Zealand passes legislation banning cigarettes for future generations

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, those born after 2008 will have to buy their cigarettes illegally.

Illegal cigarettes are something deeply ingrained in my mind as part of the trade from the mafia. I'm now imagining guido looking men with kiwi accents.

I used to (illegally) order cartons from Eastern Europe when I was a broke college kid. They didn't taste as good, but were less than half price of US cigarettes!

Re: New Zealand passes legislation banning cigarettes for future generations

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post #19

How generous of the grown ups to ban things for other people but not yourself. Like it's objectively a good thing but it seems so silly and immature to me. How good could society be by now if we could get every generation to pass restrictions on the vices of the next generation only, I suppose. Edit: I know talking about down voting is discouraged, but since I'm being downvoted, why not go further? Alcohol is also ob…

> Alcohol is also objectively bad, why not implement this for alchohol? Well we both know that will never happen. But yes, alcohol is harmful but I think smoking is even more so. If Cost is NZ only concern, they can always charge more for healthcare for people who drink/smoke, price depends upon length of use. But we all know that will never work. Where I work, just about everyone when signing up for healthcare alway…

Why couldn't it happen? If you get to make laws like this you can do all sorts of things. The only people it hurts are the ones who don't get to vote on it, after all. The people doing the voting can rest easy knowing they can drink as much as they want. You can't just raise taxes because then the people voting would also have to pay them. Maybe you could just raise taxes for people under 18 and grandfather yourself into the cheaper stuff.

Re: New Zealand passes legislation banning cigarettes for future generations

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post #19

How generous of the grown ups to ban things for other people but not yourself. Like it's objectively a good thing but it seems so silly and immature to me. How good could society be by now if we could get every generation to pass restrictions on the vices of the next generation only, I suppose. Edit: I know talking about down voting is discouraged, but since I'm being downvoted, why not go further? Alcohol is also ob…

> Alcohol is also objectively bad, why not implement this for alchohol? Well we both know that will never happen. But yes, alcohol is harmful but I think smoking is even more so. If Cost is NZ only concern, they can always charge more for healthcare for people who drink/smoke, price depends upon length of use. But we all know that will never work. Where I work, just about everyone when signing up for healthcare alway…

> they can always charge more for healthcare

That would be unpopular in a country that has free healthcare, making 'free' conditional will scare everyone with sliperly slope arguments that it will lead to a US-style system

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