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The United States of America vs. Samuel Bankman-Fried Indictment [pdf]

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> "did transmit and cause to be transmitted by wire, radio, and television communication" Note to self: Remember to use only free-space lightwave communications to avoid committing wire fraud. Edit: Removed "fiber" because it looks too much like a wire and avoid being busted by outside1234!

That's considered "a wire" by the law now :)

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post #15

The opening phrase is killing me. What can "From at least in or about 2019" mean? Does it mean not before 2019? Does it mean 2019 at the latest?

It means that they have identified acts back to 2019 but are not foreclosing on finding more acts earlier.

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#23

So 4 counts on wire fraud and then also commodities fraud, securities fraud, money laundering and campaign finance laws. For the moment, if we set aside whether these will be proven, how bad does a stack of charges like this look for him if they are proven?

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Are you implying if I buy ads to promote your candidacy using illegal funds that the election you won is illegitimate?

How would we go about enforcing that?

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#24
Interesting wording. I am not a Lawyer but have had a lot of interest in this case and others like it.

"SAMUEL BANKMAN-FRIED" a/k/a "SBF," the defendant, and others known and unknown did combine, conspire, confederate, and agree together and with each other to commit wire fraud".

Does this indicate that they intend to charge more people in the organization under RICO laws? Or is that just standard legalese for any wire fraud case.

Re: The United States of America vs. Samuel Bankman-Fried Indictment [pdf]

#25
post #6

It should be noted that SBF is facing 165 years in prison.

I thought it was standard federal prosecution practice to put up huge potential sentencing numbers, then negotiate downwards in hopes of securing a swift process, and therefore the initial indictment-implied sentencing number carries very little context?

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post #24

Interesting wording. I am not a Lawyer but have had a lot of interest in this case and others like it. "SAMUEL BANKMAN-FRIED" a/k/a "SBF," the defendant, and others known and unknown did combine, conspire, confederate, and agree together and with each other to commit wire fraud". Does this indicate that they intend to charge more people in the organization under RICO laws? Or is that just standard legalese for any wi…

IANAL either, however: RICO's pretty uncommon and it's probably not RICO. See for example [0]. But absolutely possible they charge many others.

[0] https://www.popehat.com/2016/06/14/lawsplainer-its-not-rico-...

Re: The United States of America vs. Samuel Bankman-Fried Indictment [pdf]

#27

> "did transmit and cause to be transmitted by wire, radio, and television communication" Note to self: Remember to use only free-space lightwave communications to avoid committing wire fraud. Edit: Removed "fiber" because it looks too much like a wire and avoid being busted by outside1234!

That's considered "a wire" by the law now :)

Curses! Foiled again!

Does it help that I've now removed the fiber?

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#28

So 4 counts on wire fraud and then also commodities fraud, securities fraud, money laundering and campaign finance laws. For the moment, if we set aside whether these will be proven, how bad does a stack of charges like this look for him if they are proven?

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It's quite possible that as part of the bankruptcy proceedings, some/ all of the donations could be clawed back

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post #15

The opening phrase is killing me. What can "From at least in or about 2019" mean? Does it mean not before 2019? Does it mean 2019 at the latest?

It means that they have identified acts back to 2019 but are not foreclosing on finding more acts earlier.

That’s what “at least” means.

The “in or about” is separate, and means they found things that may have been in 2019 but are not foreclosing that those particular things may have occurred at a different time

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#30

So 4 counts on wire fraud and then also commodities fraud, securities fraud, money laundering and campaign finance laws. For the moment, if we set aside whether these will be proven, how bad does a stack of charges like this look for him if they are proven?

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Opponents of politicians who took the money opponents will use it against them in future elections. Maybe some will return the money to attempt to defect that attack.
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