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Re: Video games made in the USSR (2020)

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asveikau wrote: post #189
my_city wrote: post #184

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There is nothing wrong about Russia or sharing russian media. Demonization of Russia is crazy and hypocritical. We should start demonizing the USA more, for their wars of agression against Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea, Panama and many more. Russia is unfairly demonized, and it is a vicious demonization that is not given to countries that have done far worse to the world, like as the USA.

There is a difference. The website is government owned. Look at the front page. It's not journalism. It's promoting the image of a country. If they had something at the bottom saying "paid for by Russian tourism board" then it'd be fine. I just wouldn't call it journalism.

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Re: Video games made in the USSR (2020)

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Post by xkcd1963 »

d3vmax wrote: post #171
grishka wrote: post #83

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At the individual level, the boundaries are really blurry. I'm a Russian. I know many Ukrainians. Often, when you meet a Ukrainian, you'll never know that they are, in fact, from Ukraine, unless you ask. Sometimes their pronunciation ("г" as "h" instead of "g") would give them away, but other than that, there are practically zero differences — especially cultural ones. We really are mostly the same people and we shou…

I disagree with you. Ukranian and Russians are not the same people. It is this type of thinking that Ukranian people are same is what got us in today's soup. And it's a shame of not one person's ambition but of Russian ideology in general and years of acceptance of it. Putin is a reflection of the society not the other way round. So, stop deflecting blame and accept responsibility.

If Ukranians cannot be Russians then all Russians are Ukranians. It's as simple as that to me. But I accept now that people have the freedom to choose whatever nationality they want to be, even if it appears irrational. Similarly restrictive though, nobody is allowed to be Russian in Ukraine now and since this whole mess began.

Re: Video games made in the USSR (2020)

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Post by xkcd1963 »

possiblelion wrote: post #180
vbezhenar wrote: post #145

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My mother is Russian. My father is Ukrainian. I never saw any difference between those cultures other than Ukrainian language being a funny version of Russian. I never had any issue communicating with Ukrainian people and then didn't have issues understanding me either. I don't believe there's ANY difference between Russians and Ukrainians. To me it's the one nation and that's about it. Ukrainian-Russian war is a civ…

It's not very relevant to tell people of Ukraine what they should be thinking or identifying as. Even the very first narodniks of the Russian Empire realized the big cultural differences between Ukrainians and Russians. Estonians and Finns are very similar in ways regarding culture and language, yet distinctly different as well. You wouldn't deny Estonia's existence and relegate it to some mistake made by Trotsky in…

Could you elaborate on the big cultural differences please you seem to be proficient on this topic

Re: Video games made in the USSR (2020)

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Post by xkcd1963 »

augustuspolius wrote: post #94
FpUser wrote: post #77

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The world is never short of ignorant idiots.

While I don’t necessarily agree with the commenter you are replying to - I can relate to how hard it is to separate Russia’s contributions from what is currently happening in Ukraine. Modern Russia is fascist in all meaningful ways. This—at least emotionally—overshadows the positive contributions the country made in the past.

No facists are something entirely else. Facist Germany/Italy/Japan did worse things by multiple magnitutes

Re: Video games made in the USSR (2020)

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Post by murdoze »

xkcd1963 wrote: post #192
d3vmax wrote: post #171

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I disagree with you. Ukranian and Russians are not the same people. It is this type of thinking that Ukranian people are same is what got us in today's soup. And it's a shame of not one person's ambition but of Russian ideology in general and years of acceptance of it. Putin is a reflection of the society not the other way round. So, stop deflecting blame and accept responsibility.

If Ukranians cannot be Russians then all Russians are Ukranians. It's as simple as that to me. But I accept now that people have the freedom to choose whatever nationality they want to be, even if it appears irrational. Similarly restrictive though, nobody is allowed to be Russian in Ukraine now and since this whole mess began.

W/a the Polish? Warsaw used to be part of your empire.

Or the lucky bastards are in NATO already, out of your reach?

Re: Video games made in the USSR (2020)

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Post by murdoze »

xkcd1963 wrote: post #44
qsort wrote: post #39

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The association "USSR = Russians" is part of the systematic attempt by the soviet regime at cultural (and sometimes literal) genocide. The 90th anniversary of the Holodomor was just two weeks ago.

I've to step in here, because also native Russians starved during the Holodomor. My grandmother saw half-starved people and corpses as a child in the city

Collateral damage

Re: Video games made in the USSR (2020)

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Post by russianman »

augustuspolius wrote: post #97
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #90

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> We have to agree... No, you just constructed a false dichotomy. Russian Empire and its successor states USSR and Russia is a product of imperialism that was born in Kiev when Grand Prince Vladimir has brought Orthodox Christianity to those lands. This imperialism conquered some territories, lost some territories (Kiev proper), then regained them back and conquered a lot more, then splintered. The current war is the…

It’s a false dichotomy only if you indeed believe that Russia has “created” Ukraine and that Ukrainians are not a real nation. Russia has as much right to claim Ukraine as Ukraine - Russia. None.

Unfortunately, yes, you’re right. It’s not real nation. It’s just south dialect.

Re: Video games made in the USSR (2020)

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Post by russianman »

lvl102 wrote: post #27
Waterluvian wrote: post #3

Because of the war against Ukraine, I’ve become more aware of Ukraine’s role in the USSR when reading up on history. One thing I’ve noticed is just how much of the most impressive technological feats came from Ukraine.

Yeah I learned that the Russians constantly harassed Ukraine for hundreds of years.

By the way, Ukrainians should be grateful to the Soviet authorities for the Ukrainization of their territory in the 1930s. Just google it)

Re: Video games made in the USSR (2020)

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Post by qwytw »

nullifidian wrote: post #162
qwytw wrote: post #113

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Perhaps, but I was replying to the comment above... Modern Russia is clearly a successor state to the Grand Duchy of Moscow so I don't really see how can it have a bigger claim to the history of Novgorod than to that of Kiev/other ancient city states in the current territory of Ukraine.

> don't really see how can it have a bigger claim to the history of Novgorod Maybe not bigger, but the people of Novgorod now live in Russia and believe they are Russians. What's with that state-centric view? Ukrainians are Ukrainians despite multiple occupations, but if Novgorodian people believe they are Russians it's illegitimate and they lose all the claims, and are now relegated to have their claims go through K…

> Novgorod now live in Russia and believe they are Russians

Obviously. However their relation to the Novgorodian republic is about as strong as that of modern Italians to the Roman Republic. Also I think any such claims are absurd and absolutely irrelevant (imho this applies to Kiev/Novgorod and to Moscow).

> This "Ukraine is the true Rus.. nationalist narrative is just tiresome and incoherent

Sure, you're right. However this narrative seems to be mostly a response to Russian claims that Ukraine is not a nation and that it should not exist.

> Russians are some splinter northern Finno-Ugric goblins

Nah... Politically and somewhat culturally they are probably closer to the Mongols (I'm actually half serious, the authoritarian and imperialist tendencies ingrained in Russian culture were probably inherited from the Golden Horde rather than Kiev/Novgorod.)

Re: Video games made in the USSR (2020)

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

russianman wrote: post #197
augustuspolius wrote: post #97

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It’s a false dichotomy only if you indeed believe that Russia has “created” Ukraine and that Ukrainians are not a real nation. Russia has as much right to claim Ukraine as Ukraine - Russia. None.

Unfortunately, yes, you’re right. It’s not real nation. It’s just south dialect.

I beg to differ. Ukraine was a divided country born in 1991 with two very different parts - east and west who didn't quite get along since then. But thanks to Putin's aggression, after 2014, and especially now, it is a one nation firmly united and resolved to not be a part of Russia. So Ukraine is a very real nation now, created paradoxically, by none other then Putin. This guy is a great reconciliator: he healed the east-west divide in the Ukraine, expanded NATO, and even united all of the EU, Great Britain, Switzerland and other nations.
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