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Be wary of imitating high-status people who can afford to countersignal

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Re: Be wary of imitating high-status people who can afford to countersignal

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Which is a shame. Someone wearing business casual is so much more pleasant to the eye than typical sloppy hacker wear. Especially once you start getting older and flabbier.

Doesn’t business causal mean like slacks and a lame tucked in pastel polo shirt? I think both a suit and hacker wear are more interesting

At this point, don't Polo shirts essentially say "Welcome to Chipotle/Best Buy"?

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I was a little surprised to see some lawyers at a recent medium-sized company who had tattoos. And not just small butterflies.

We shouldn't be. Barring dominance by some fundamentalist group, be it religious, cultural, or political, humans have had piercings and tattoos. I like that fact that it is no longer countercultural to adopt these basic human expressions.

Tattoos are frowned upon in most cultures in the world. It's not just "fundamentalists" (whatever that means). And who cares about "human expression?" If you need to "express" yourself, write a book or something where the rest of us don't have to look at it.

America would be a lot better if people thought less about how to “express” themselves, and more about how to keep the social environment around them tidy and orderly.

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> Well its nearly 2023, and we have had 10%-ish inflation going on about 2 years. Are you not in the US? We haven't even had 10% inflation for all of the past year.

Particularly for cars, and especially used cars.. inflation was >10% for >1 year, before turning over ~3-4 months ago. https://publish.manheim.com/content/dam/consulting/ManheimUs...

That's not inflation. That's two cherry picked product categories. One of which is a luxury good.

Re: Be wary of imitating high-status people who can afford to countersignal

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The poorer you are, the more you are interested in appearing rich. Higher EV in that play allowing increased chances to mingle with rich class. The richer you are, the more you are interested in appearing humble. Higher EV in signalling "money speaks, wealth whispers" message and appearing "down-to-earth" to win people over. Very often it pays to do the opposite of what is expected from you.

> The richer you are, the more you are interested in appearing humble. Higher EV in signalling "money speaks, wealth whispers" message and appearing "down-to-earth" to win people over. Is that really the case though? Because I see a lot of university buildings and foundations named after really wealthy people. That's hardly "whsipers".

Yeah, but they aren't wearing Gucci loafers and drive a Toyota Corolla instead of a pimped out Rolls Royce Phantom, therefore they are "humble" and their names on University buildings just solidify how much they value "intellectual substance" over superficial things...at least that is what they want us to believe

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> wearing a $2k Rolex or driving a $70k BMW is frowned upon. But instead they have eccentric "hobbies" requiring $10ks of of equipment, inclusive of "needing" $10k viking stove/range, and $10k subzero fridge/freezer in your kitchen because you are a "foodie" […] Isn’t this conflating status signal with lifestyle? The wealthy have always enjoyed expensive lifestyles and hobbies. In and of itself, expensive hobby equip…

A sociologist would tell you that there is no such thing as a lifestyle which isn't a performance of one's status.

Sure, this is vacuously true in the sense that if you are studying peoples behavior then any lifestyle option is a data point that can be correlated across other metrics, and hence we can call any lifestyle “a performance of one’s status” for the sake of study status and lifestyles.

But that’s not really relevant. From an individuals perspective there’s a big difference between keeping up with the joneses and focusing on what makes you happy.

Even if it turns out that what makes you happy is actually still correlated to your status and you’re not really a unique snowflake.

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The poorer you are, the more you are interested in appearing rich. Higher EV in that play allowing increased chances to mingle with rich class. The richer you are, the more you are interested in appearing humble. Higher EV in signalling "money speaks, wealth whispers" message and appearing "down-to-earth" to win people over. Very often it pays to do the opposite of what is expected from you.

If the actually rich people are dressing down-to-earth, why would you dress fancily to appear rich? Surely you want to also dress down-to-earth so you appear like the rich people do.

Because if are a nobody and noone recognizes your face people will heuristically assume you aren't a "down to earth billionaire", but are instead just a poor, average person and thus insignificant. Zuck can appear to be humble in his clothes, because everyone knows who Zuck is and people expect famous billionaires to be smug assholes, so this is a way to countersignal and pretend to be "just like one of you, guys". Since you are "just one of us", it's in your interest to appear as something more.

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Where did you end up that is helping people who really need it?

I’m doing an open source solar powered farming robot nonprofit thing! [1] It’s an amazing feeling finishing a huge PCB design project for work and then immediately pushing the changes to GitHub. I’ve got a new brushless motor controller in the works that costs under $40 per board fully assembled for high current dual motor control, and anyone can order them (ideally wait till design is slightly more mature). [2] [1]…

Cool problem and I can imagine it would be fun to solve - wish you the best of luck!

Re: Be wary of imitating high-status people who can afford to countersignal

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You'll meet suit-wearing people, business casual people, and pizza-stained-hoodie people. Some will be conventionally attractive, some not. Some old, some young, some male, some female, some of one race, some another. Some will be skilled, diligent, and productive, some will be well-spoken and good communicators, some will be honest, some will be punctual... some will be not. Some of those things are choices that mat…

You said: > please don't think less of me as a human because of what I choose to wear. But doesn't: > dressing in a suit gets in the way of getting work done. It subtly conveys "I'm too important to get my hands dirty, I'll leave the grunt work to the grunts." mean that you think less of others because of what they choose to wear?

Only because it affects the ability to accomplish our shared goals. If we're sitting in an office at keyboards, and you want to wear a suit, go right ahead! A woman in heels in an environment that ought to have steel-toed boots, or a hoodie wearer in an office whose hygiene is so poor that the smell affects those around them, both impact things that are actually important.

But when those personal choices are immaterial, whether choosing to over- or under-dress, they shouldn't affect what I think of others or what others think of me.

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Credit cards create credits (a liability). Debit cards create debits (a nearly immediate transfer from your account). Seems accurate enough to me although I can see how debt and debit could be confused.

But no: When your account is credited, that means you gain money. That's the definition of "credit." So yes, you are creating credits for the credit card company, against you. What you are gaining is debt/liability . Which why it's weird for it to be "your" credit card. If I have a Chuck E. Cheese game token card, that doesn't mean I owe Chuck E. Cheese tokens.

No. “Debit” isn’t “debt”.

A credit card offers you credit.

credit: noun An arrangement for deferred payment of a loan or purchase.

Re: Be wary of imitating high-status people who can afford to countersignal

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"An example from Ogilvy Vice Chairman Rory Sutherland: If you’re a top executive, turning up to work on a bicycle is a high-status activity because it was a choice and not a necessity. But if you work at Pizza Hut, turning up on a bike means you can’t afford a car." This tidbit reminds me of a similar anecdote (that my experience aligns with) re: the modern upper class that wearing a $2k Rolex or driving a $70k BMW i…

Interesting observation. I agree with what you've written, but I might even go one step farther, the wealthy like extremely expensive things that don't require much money.

Yeah, I'm being a little glib there. But what they love is golf, tennis, violin lessons for kids. Yes, they own expensive golf clubs (and memberships) and tennis rackets and violins. But what they love is that they can slum it with a very inexpensive tennis racket or golf club or violin, whereas the expensive gear is useless in the hands of someone who hasn't had a lifetime of lessons that cost in the tens of thousands of dollars. Even if you have the money, you can't buy the technique, and people who play these sports/instruments can recognize instantly if you know what you're doing (even in movies, tennis, golf, and violin, faked technique is immediately recognizable). It helps a lot of your parents had money and trained you up in these things when you were a child.

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