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Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by intelVISA »

throw903290 wrote: post #390
PostOnce wrote: post #324

Microsoft did a tremendous amount of hard work to convince me to make the effort to migrate away from Windows at home and at work. They want to lease me a word processor. They want to put ads in my digital filing cabinet. They want to take 30% of my software revenue, and when they realized they couldn't have it, they said they'd settle for 12%. No dice. There are zero Windows machines in my home or in my business rig…

I am similar, except one thing. I have separate hdd with offline windows 10 installation for gaming. It never gets internet access, never gets updated. Everything totally offline. I dont have a stomache to deal with Wine.

You could look into LTSC, it's about as close to W7 as you can get in terms of user control (e.g. no forced updates) and still enjoy semi-recent Windows features like D3D12 ""Agile SDK"" (lol)

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by serverholic »

PostOnce wrote: post #324

Microsoft did a tremendous amount of hard work to convince me to make the effort to migrate away from Windows at home and at work. They want to lease me a word processor. They want to put ads in my digital filing cabinet. They want to take 30% of my software revenue, and when they realized they couldn't have it, they said they'd settle for 12%. No dice. There are zero Windows machines in my home or in my business rig…

For music production you should check out Bitwig. It's awesome and competitive with other mainstream DAWs.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by disqard »

PostOnce wrote: post #324

Microsoft did a tremendous amount of hard work to convince me to make the effort to migrate away from Windows at home and at work. They want to lease me a word processor. They want to put ads in my digital filing cabinet. They want to take 30% of my software revenue, and when they realized they couldn't have it, they said they'd settle for 12%. No dice. There are zero Windows machines in my home or in my business rig…

Don't worry, a bunch of Microsoft VPs got promoted for showing that this would boost revenue (and, unless MS experiences a serious exodus due to this latest round of shenanigans, such increa$es will materialize).

So, yes, there certainly are MS folks who (unironically) think that they did a "great job" with this.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by intelVISA »

the_only_law wrote: post #469
CWuestefeld wrote: post #135

Last week I allowed it to "upgrade" to Win 11 22H2. Part of the upgrade involved silently resetting a heap of my default apps. When the upgrade was done, Firefox was no longer my default browser, it was changed to Edge. Also, the default apps for PDF, JPG, PNG, TXT, MKV, and probably others that I haven't yet discovered, were set to their MS equivalent apps. Microsoft, this was not a nice thing to do to a user.

I just want to know how to turn the damn “anti malware service executable off”. I’ve turned it off in settings, I’ve added various registry keys but that damn process still haunts me.

The same service that sends Ms every bin you run? You've got a lot of Spectres in that machine I'm afraid.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by viraptor »

actually_a_dog wrote: post #335
viraptor wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do that, but it doesn't generalise. Mobile phone ownership exceeded laptop/desktop ownership in the us in the last 2 years and the latter is in a slow constant decline. A lot of people are going to be happy with just the phone in the future.

Citation needed. Moreover, what's the evidence that those that make do with only phones would even want to purchase a tablet or laptop? Edit: also, conflating phones with "desktops" is just being glib and disingenous.

> Citation needed

Literally the top results for US smartphone ownership. You can do it.

> that those that make do with only phones would even want to purchase a tablet or laptop?

That's the whole point - they don't need / want one. But given the services that everyone needs are moving online, everyone needs some level of internet access. This effectively moves windows users to Linux/Android as discussed upthread.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by guitarbill »

WalterBright wrote: post #428
MattPalmer1086 wrote: post #413

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I can see two obvious differences. 1) the text editor shipped with the OS is extremely basic. It is not competing to be the world's favourite text editor, and is probably required to have a usable OS out of the box. 2) the web browser was essentially a competing platform to the OS itself for many user tasks. To leverage your monopoly on one platform to control another is against anti trust.

1. EDLIN wasn't much different from the text editor I used on the PDP-10 just a few years earlier. Lots of people used EDLIN and saw no need for another. Also, Netscape was an extremely buggy browser - it crashed all the time. Explorer was far more reliable. It was better . 2. If it was doing essential OS tasks, then it was part of the operating system.

Maybe IE was better for a while. But for a long time it wasn't, and it wasn't allowed to stand by itself. That was the problem. It was the de facto standard, not by being good, but by being pushed via Windows.

I hope we can agree a text editor is different that a browser, word processor, or an IDE (at least nowadays). Nobody complains that Microsoft ships Nodepad or Paint, because they are the bare minimum and avoidable. Hell, they shipped Nodepad and Wordpad, and neither dented Word's market share.

Regarding 2, this is unbelievably naive. For such an important product, of course Microsoft would find a way to make it do "essential" OS tasks. Apple/iOS is obviously much worse in this regard. But for better or worse, iOS devices are a minority in the EU.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by antod »

chii wrote: post #446
HeckFeck wrote: post #374

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No, but pissing off people who love computers the most is a terrible idea. The Windows 98-7 era made me like the system and aspire to be a developer for it. I remember wanting to make my own window! Now it is simply a hostile wasteland that I regard with suspicion and resentment. There is no love for it left. I now use Linux and bear with OSX when I need to. Windows 8, but especially 10, made a hardcore Unix freak ou…

> pissing off people who love computers the most is a terrible idea. back when balmer jumped up and down in a presentation yelling "developers, developers, developers", they were still good (despite balmer's terrible leadership). I think they're just losing the battle for mindshare now. Users would more easily move to macs, if they're a casual consumer of tech, and linux if they're more hardcore. Windows has no raiso…

> back when balmer jumped up and down in a presentation yelling "developers, developers, developers", they were still good (despite balmer's terrible leadership).

My memory is probably faulty so corrections welcome, but wasn't "developers, developers, developers" a while before he became CEO?

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by cauefcr »

actionfromafar wrote: post #161
CWuestefeld wrote: post #135

Last week I allowed it to "upgrade" to Win 11 22H2. Part of the upgrade involved silently resetting a heap of my default apps. When the upgrade was done, Firefox was no longer my default browser, it was changed to Edge. Also, the default apps for PDF, JPG, PNG, TXT, MKV, and probably others that I haven't yet discovered, were set to their MS equivalent apps. Microsoft, this was not a nice thing to do to a user.

So, what's rehab for Windows users? :)

A steamOS fork?

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by lewantmontreal »

sph wrote: post #444
lewantmontreal wrote: post #49

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Off topic but I really wish the regular old mouse and scroll wheel would work ”normally” straight out the box on fedora/ubuntu/etc. It’s really such a horrible experience coming from Windows when using the mouse is all icky not having ”proper” (Windows default) acceleration on and scroll wheel scrolling one line at a time. Like many people I really want to make the jump but still hang on to Windows via O&O Shutup 10.

I don't know what you're talking about, but I've never had any mouse wheel issues on Linux, when I dual booted daily so it had plenty of chances to compare. In fact I made sure I had the exact same mouse speed on both OS. My wheel doesn't scroll a line at a time, and there are three acceleration modes for the pointer-default,adaptive and flat. I keep hearing people complaining about Linux with the weirdest problems e…

Sounds good, I’ll try again when I have time.

My latest attempt was back in Summer with Fedora 36 and a Logitech mouse. The default was one line at a time and I could not find a setting for it. (Apart from Firefox config but I need multiple browsers.)

Amusingly I even gave Chromebook (kind of a Linux) a proper try and with the scroll wheel it too scrolled a single line at a time.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by intelVISA »

npteljes wrote: post #454
Maxburn wrote: post #354

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Real businesses will not put up with this nonsense and that's why LTSC exists. I'm also wondering if you can just run server editions.

I don't think businesses care too much. LTSC is for when you need the system to not change over time, but still get some security updates, not simply business use - for that, there's the Enterprise edition of course.

Annoyingly LTSC costs around $300ish for the typical end user and has an inordinate amount of hoops just to buy it... makes it difficult to recommend to family so I curse them with Arch instead.
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