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Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by brokenmachine »

matkoniecz wrote: post #382
binarycrusader wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey, sorry that happened, it should have preserved all of the default applications, etc. There are multiple suites of tests and processes that exist to try to ensure updates preserve user data and preferences but clearly something went wrong here. I’m just a developer, not a spokesperson, but I want to ensure that this is investigated if possible. If you file a bug in feedback hub under the Windows Update category it…

Microsoft tried that explanation before. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-21684329 > It introduced a Browser Choice Screen pop-up in March 2010 as part of a settlement following an earlier EU competition investigation. > But the US company dropped the feature in a Windows 7 update in February 2011. > Microsoft said the omission had been the result of a "technical error". > Microsoft has been fined 561m euros ($731…

>Hard drive had over 1 800 000 GB of free space

1800 Tb free? No wonder you were mad.

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Post by twiddling »

JohnFen wrote: post #45

It's truly amazing how Microsoft insists on making Windows worse with each release. It makes me miss the old odd/even releases where at least half of them weren't bad.

I love digging into every new version of Windows to find an old NT-era dialog box on some low level setting

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Post by chii »

throw903290 wrote: post #390
PostOnce wrote: post #324

Microsoft did a tremendous amount of hard work to convince me to make the effort to migrate away from Windows at home and at work. They want to lease me a word processor. They want to put ads in my digital filing cabinet. They want to take 30% of my software revenue, and when they realized they couldn't have it, they said they'd settle for 12%. No dice. There are zero Windows machines in my home or in my business rig…

I am similar, except one thing. I have separate hdd with offline windows 10 installation for gaming. It never gets internet access, never gets updated. Everything totally offline. I dont have a stomache to deal with Wine.

how do you get those games onto the machine if it's offline these days? Unless you exclusively buy off GOG, and download the offline version...

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Post by sph »

lewantmontreal wrote: post #49
JSRR1991 wrote: post #5

Bad time to be pushing this crap with the Linux desktop wooing the gaming/ power user overlap crowd now that steam deck is on the scene. I have been using Windows my whole life but now I have a PC dedicated to Linux for the 1st time and I'm thinking about seeing one up for my wife, as I'm sure Linux will be perform better on the older laptop I'm considering 'upcycling'. People forget that tech trends often flow outwa…

Off topic but I really wish the regular old mouse and scroll wheel would work ”normally” straight out the box on fedora/ubuntu/etc. It’s really such a horrible experience coming from Windows when using the mouse is all icky not having ”proper” (Windows default) acceleration on and scroll wheel scrolling one line at a time. Like many people I really want to make the jump but still hang on to Windows via O&O Shutup 10.

I don't know what you're talking about, but I've never had any mouse wheel issues on Linux, when I dual booted daily so it had plenty of chances to compare. In fact I made sure I had the exact same mouse speed on both OS.

My wheel doesn't scroll a line at a time, and there are three acceleration modes for the pointer-default,adaptive and flat.

I keep hearing people complaining about Linux with the weirdest problems ever.

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Post by vips7L »

karmakurtisaani wrote: post #123
pjmlp wrote: post #72

Windows is still my favourite OS, but I surely am not rushing to adopt Windows 11 beyond work requirements. It is just another Vista.

> Windows is still my favourite OS Now there's an unpopular opinion if anything. I've heard the "yeah it's kind of shit, but the games/applications I use only really work with Windows" a million times, but this one is kind of new. Edit: this comment was indeed intended to be read in the context of HN crowd.

It is also my preferred OS. It’s familiar and everything I need is there. I don’t need a Unix command line as I prefer an OO shell and I’ve never once have had to interact with the underlying kernel for any programming that I do.

I ran Fedora for 4 years and it was a mess of gnome crashing due to memory leaks or trying to find a hacky way of getting some program installed that I needed. Sacrificing real outlook and office applications only hurt my ability to do my job as well.

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Post by chii »

HeckFeck wrote: post #374
bunbun69 wrote: post #359

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I doubt Microsoft cares that you migrated away.

No, but pissing off people who love computers the most is a terrible idea. The Windows 98-7 era made me like the system and aspire to be a developer for it. I remember wanting to make my own window! Now it is simply a hostile wasteland that I regard with suspicion and resentment. There is no love for it left. I now use Linux and bear with OSX when I need to. Windows 8, but especially 10, made a hardcore Unix freak ou…

> pissing off people who love computers the most is a terrible idea.

back when balmer jumped up and down in a presentation yelling "developers, developers, developers", they were still good (despite balmer's terrible leadership).

I think they're just losing the battle for mindshare now. Users would more easily move to macs, if they're a casual consumer of tech, and linux if they're more hardcore. Windows has no raison d'etre except for the gaming space imho, and i would hope that the steam deck propels WINE and linux onto gaming and remove the final hold from windows.

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Post by heather45879 »

noio wrote: post #391
binarycrusader wrote: post #352

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I appreciate that when unexpected outcomes occur it's tempting to vent frustrations and say things in a way intended to influence the feelings of others to validate our own frustrations and feelings. However, as a former colleague of mine (Bryan Cantrill) frequently reminds everyone, empathy is a core engineering value : https://tritondatacenter.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun I completed the second decade of my soft…

It's crazy what difference a single human voice can make to one's perception of a topic. Thanks for chiming in :)

It does make a difference but doesn’t change the effect of Microsoft’s bad business decisions. There are no doubt many amazing individuals at the company, but the whole Windows ecosystem is polluted. It has lacked identity for the past decade since cancelling Windows Phone.

Gamifying browsing habits, monetizing MSN celebrity gossip on stock widgets and built-in search capabilities… etc… how are we supposed to be productive with such childish garbage?

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Post by withinboredom »

At my last employer, I built a thing that let us target warnings on various pages of the admin about the user’s configuration. Things like “hey you don’t have backups turned on and this is the fifth post you’ve made.”

It was incredibly fine-grained. Then the marketers got a hold of it, which is fine because surely they’d understand targeted ads. Nah. 75% of people just slapped a message on the user’s homepage, whether they could use the feature or not.

Seeing basically the same thing being built for windows settings makes me sigh. Mostly because people don’t have the ability or disciple to use it correctly.

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Post by XorNot »

PostOnce wrote: post #324

Microsoft did a tremendous amount of hard work to convince me to make the effort to migrate away from Windows at home and at work. They want to lease me a word processor. They want to put ads in my digital filing cabinet. They want to take 30% of my software revenue, and when they realized they couldn't have it, they said they'd settle for 12%. No dice. There are zero Windows machines in my home or in my business rig…

I'm really getting to the point that I think we need regulation that bans mandatory advertising features in any product which you outlay cash for directly, or at least requires a realistically priced non-advertising version to be made available (i.e. give some leeway to go "nah, it's not 10,000% more expensive to sell the version with ads...)

It seems like the inevitable destination of all products is to be chock full of tracking and ads, because if you have a large market share, why not also monetize it further by selling ads to your disposable-income identified customers?

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Post by acdha »

hepitsu wrote: post #415
PostOnce wrote: post #324

Microsoft did a tremendous amount of hard work to convince me to make the effort to migrate away from Windows at home and at work. They want to lease me a word processor. They want to put ads in my digital filing cabinet. They want to take 30% of my software revenue, and when they realized they couldn't have it, they said they'd settle for 12%. No dice. There are zero Windows machines in my home or in my business rig…

Same here vis a vis Linux for my personal use, but the worse thing from Microsoft's perspective is how it pushed me towards buying Apple and recommending Apple products to everyone I know. As a techie, I used to hate Apple. I can't stand the closed ecosystem, I can't stand the product markups, and whenever friends or family would ask, I'd tell them they could get more powerful systems for a fraction of the cost if th…

That’s been my experience since the early 2000s: people recommend Macs (or especially iPads) for the people who will be calling them for support, and it’s generally delivered well.

One thing I will note is that the markups have been a lot less in practice than claimed since Apple stopped using PowerPC. Most of the people I know who did comparisons ended up finding the Mac either equivalent or, frequently, cheaper once they adjusted for equivalent quality. Sure, you can buy a $400 PC but you end up buying 3 of them over the same service life and have a shoddy display for that entire time. The bundled crapware PC vendors use to subsidize the low-end stuff is really not helping the impression of their products, either (I know multiple people who had an unusable system out of the box that way. They now use Macs.).

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