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Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by exceptione »

BlargMcLarg wrote: post #115
croes wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, people are strange. Every problem on Linux is deal breaker, all the problems on Windows aren't.

It's not 'every problem'. People know Windows. People understand most of Windows. They took years to do so, and they still run into problems. Now you ask them 'switch over to Linux, it doesn't have problem X', without understanding the average person doesn't want to invest the time or effort learning anything more complicated than downloading and installing a random .exe (why do you think phishing and malware are so…

> People know Windows. People understand most of Windows.

Not in my observation. They get something pre-installed, they click on things they know. I am always amazed by the fact that most don' t have the smallest mental image of how it works.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by matkoniecz »

binarycrusader wrote: post #218
CWuestefeld wrote: post #135

Last week I allowed it to "upgrade" to Win 11 22H2. Part of the upgrade involved silently resetting a heap of my default apps. When the upgrade was done, Firefox was no longer my default browser, it was changed to Edge. Also, the default apps for PDF, JPG, PNG, TXT, MKV, and probably others that I haven't yet discovered, were set to their MS equivalent apps. Microsoft, this was not a nice thing to do to a user.

Hey, sorry that happened, it should have preserved all of the default applications, etc. There are multiple suites of tests and processes that exist to try to ensure updates preserve user data and preferences but clearly something went wrong here. I’m just a developer, not a spokesperson, but I want to ensure that this is investigated if possible. If you file a bug in feedback hub under the Windows Update category it…

Microsoft tried that explanation before.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-21684329

> It introduced a Browser Choice Screen pop-up in March 2010 as part of a settlement following an earlier EU competition investigation.

> But the US company dropped the feature in a Windows 7 update in February 2011.

> Microsoft said the omission had been the result of a "technical error".

> Microsoft has been fined 561m euros ($731m; £484m) for failing to promote a range of web browsers, rather than just Internet Explorer, to users in the European Union (EU).

I would believe this explanation if that this kind of "bug" would occasionally happen in the other ways, not benefiting Microsoft.

Computer owned by my sister and unfortunately using Microsoft was hit by something similar - massive slowdowns, request to upgrade some cloud drive (leading to credit card form).

Turns out that random local files were being deleted and moved into tragically slow cloud drive, and Windows in utterly misleading way claimed that space run out and demanded money for more space.

Hard drive had over 1 800 000 GB of free space and Windows claimed that she should pay for more space.

> If you also provide a link to the filed feedback to me I’ll be happy to triage it personally as I frequently work with the teams that are responsible for update migration.

That is an intentional user-hostile behaviour, not an accident. Or at least of pattern of not really testing for bug that increase some metrics (cloud drive adoption needs to be higher? lets show misleading message that will result in it being enabled!)

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by phendrenad2 »

tormeh wrote: post #236
vips7L wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of devs don’t want to tinker with Linux. Myself included. And this is disregarding all of the work places that only give out Windows or MacOS machines.

No tinkering required. Tinkering can be tempting and dangerous, but if you keep yourself in check it's just not a thing you need to do. Unless you install Arch, but then you deserve what you get. Just install Ubuntu or Pop and you'll be fine.

"No tinkering required" needs to come with a big YMMV. Most of the devs I've polled about their Linux experience matches the OP, they tried it and went back to Mac/Windows.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by GuB-42 »

sampa wrote: post #366

For all those who stay on Windows only for games, google for vfio it's a virtual machine with Windows for games Uses a dedicated graphics card, has like 3% cost. Bonus is you don't have to care about updates and viruses/trojans. Disk C with OS is just a raw file, that you can copy at will.

What is the cost when it comes to disk I/O? I found the overhead to be significant in VMs. Personal impression, no metrics. I am also talking about standard OS-based VMs where the image is a file, not hypervisors.

It is becoming more and more relevant now that we have ridiculously fast SSDs and games take advantage of them. It was, after all, a big selling point of the PS5.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by _Algernon_ »

y-c-o-m-b wrote: post #303
karmakurtisaani wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Windows is still my favourite OS Now there's an unpopular opinion if anything. I've heard the "yeah it's kind of shit, but the games/applications I use only really work with Windows" a million times, but this one is kind of new. Edit: this comment was indeed intended to be read in the context of HN crowd.

"kind of shit" - in what way? I'm dying to hear an intelligent complaint come from somebody because so far everything I'm reading (for Windows 10 at least) are mob mentality pitch-forky type of comments. You can read my comment on it to another post here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33946821

Take Windows 10 or 11 through a time machine and show it to someone in the 90s or 00s and it would be considered adware and/or malware and/or spyware. It takes every opportunity to shove ads in the user's face. It takes days of configuration to make it usable, and an update at any time can undo your efforts as shown by other comments in this thread. Unless you complete a metaphorical Ninja Warrior course every little bit of your data will be sent to Microsoft, and even if you do everything right there still are telemetry that you can't disable. The UI is often laggy and unresponsive compared to eg. Manjaro XFCE.

Linux may have issues at times but at least they're not caused by malice. An OS should get out of my way and let me do what I need / want to do, not do everything it can to intentionally and maliciously get in my way to make a few cents of adverts. Modern Windows is parasitic.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by [deleted] »

binarycrusader wrote: post #218
CWuestefeld wrote: post #135

Last week I allowed it to "upgrade" to Win 11 22H2. Part of the upgrade involved silently resetting a heap of my default apps. When the upgrade was done, Firefox was no longer my default browser, it was changed to Edge. Also, the default apps for PDF, JPG, PNG, TXT, MKV, and probably others that I haven't yet discovered, were set to their MS equivalent apps. Microsoft, this was not a nice thing to do to a user.

Hey, sorry that happened, it should have preserved all of the default applications, etc. There are multiple suites of tests and processes that exist to try to ensure updates preserve user data and preferences but clearly something went wrong here. I’m just a developer, not a spokesperson, but I want to ensure that this is investigated if possible. If you file a bug in feedback hub under the Windows Update category it…

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Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by fortyseven »

bunbun69 wrote: post #359
PostOnce wrote: post #324

Microsoft did a tremendous amount of hard work to convince me to make the effort to migrate away from Windows at home and at work. They want to lease me a word processor. They want to put ads in my digital filing cabinet. They want to take 30% of my software revenue, and when they realized they couldn't have it, they said they'd settle for 12%. No dice. There are zero Windows machines in my home or in my business rig…

I doubt Microsoft cares that you migrated away.

Drip... drip... drip...

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by phendrenad2 »

mhh__ wrote: post #87
dzdt wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes 2023 is sure to be the year of the Linux desktop. (/s) The reality is the computer form factor involving a keyboard is slowly becoming more and more of a niche. Windows has a lock on this niche for business and gaming. For other home use there is strong competition from apple and for education there is strong competition from chromebook. Linux is still not really in the running, sorry.

Soo niche except for 99.99999% of devs

Not me, I make it a habit to try Linux every year to see what the major distros are, and test their feasibility as a replacement for MacOS. I usually run into bugs and lots of necessary copy-paste from the internet to get random features working.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by throw903290 »

PostOnce wrote: post #324

Microsoft did a tremendous amount of hard work to convince me to make the effort to migrate away from Windows at home and at work. They want to lease me a word processor. They want to put ads in my digital filing cabinet. They want to take 30% of my software revenue, and when they realized they couldn't have it, they said they'd settle for 12%. No dice. There are zero Windows machines in my home or in my business rig…

I am similar, except one thing.

I have separate hdd with offline windows 10 installation for gaming. It never gets internet access, never gets updated. Everything totally offline. I dont have a stomache to deal with Wine.

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